With tighter restriction due to Tier 3 lockdown across Merseyside Jon-Jo discusses why he doesn't think there's any point in considering races this year, while Matt argues that races are needed for motivation. The guys discuss Para Athletics and the process that Matt's fiancee Jade faces as she targets a GB vest next summer.

Jon-Jo teaches us about the 5/25 philosophy of Warren Buffett to help us focus on what's important, before he plays the show out with a cover of 'Oh Carol' by Neil Sedaka.