This is the first of two episodes featuring Aaron’s interview with two luminaries of US anti-imperialism—Daniel Ellsberg and Peter Dale Scott.

Daniel Ellsberg was an analyst for the Pentagon and RAND before he made the fateful decision to leak the Pentagon Papers—a top secret study on the US involvement in Vietnam from Truman to LBJ. Ellsberg is the author of two memoirs—Secrets: A Memoir of Vietnam and the Pentagon Papers, and The Doomsday Machine: Confessions of a Nuclear War Planner. He is also the subject of The Most Dangerous Man in America: Daniel Ellsberg and the Pentagon Papers, an Oscar-nominated documentary that Edward Snowden credited for inspiring his own act of whistleblowing.

Peter Dale Scott is a former Canadian diplomat and retired UC Berkeley Professor of English. He is the author of numerous books of poetry and prose, including The War Conspiracy, Coming to Jakarta, Deep Politics and the Death of JFK, Cocaine Politics (with Jonathan Marshall), Drugs, Oil, and War, The Road to 9/11, American War Machine, and The American Deep State.

This interview was originally recorded in October of 2018 at Marin College during Project Censored’s Media Freedom Summit.

Big thanks to everybody at Project Censored who helped with this, especially Mickey Huff, Anthony Fest, Dennis Murphy and John Bertucci!

Special thanks to Dana Chavarria for producing the episode!

Music: “The End of the World” by Mock Orange