In this deeply insightful episode of the Jaden Jeffs Podcast, Jaden welcomes Katie Fisher and Kent Bull to share their powerful stories of leaving deeply religious cults. Katie, a former member of the FLDS, talks about her struggles with music education, personal discovery, and the emotional turmoil of questioning her faith. Kent, from the Kingston Group, adds context with his experiences and insights on creating a balanced life post-cult. This episode tackles themes such as finding one’s identity, building healthy relationships, discerning reality, and achieving personal healing and fulfillment. Essential viewing for anyone seeking understanding of life after leaving a high-control, religious environment.

01:35 Introduction to the Podcast
02:25 Katie and Kent's Love Story
03:28 Katie's Background and Upbringing
05:48 Musical Journey and Challenges
08:59 The Impact of FLDS Rules on Music
13:49 The United Order and Personal Struggles
39:37 The Control and Restrictions on Women
45:00 Katie's Determination to Learn Music
48:14 The Hymn Book Debate
48:54 Piano Performance and Approval
49:55 Secret Music and Rebellion
51:31 Voice Training and Singing Challenges
01:01:20 Community and Creativity in FLDS
01:01:51 College Aspirations and Restrictions
01:13:28 Leaving FLDS for Music and Freedom
01:21:43 College Life and New Experiences
01:29:51 Public Declaration and Moving On
01:35:30 Meeting New People and Processing FLDS Doctrine
01:35:57 Discovering Warren Jeffs and Questioning Beliefs
01:39:18 Balancing Gender Roles in Relationships
01:47:44 The Role of a Good Father
01:49:49 Core Questions for Leaving a Cult
02:00:53 Building a New Community
02:17:59 Final Thoughts and Future Plans