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FLDS Update 2026–2027: Who’s Really Leading, and a Tragic Story of “Adoptive Daughters”

On the Jaden Jeffs Podcast, Jaden gives an update on the FLDS in 2026–2027, arguing Warren Jeffs still drives the group’s actions from prison through phone calls coordinated by Marilyn Jeffs and Aunt Rachel, while figures like Helaman Jeffs handle money and logistics yet deflect responsibility. Jaden recounts a recent, anonymized story of a young woman who obeyed Warren’s directive to become an “adoptive daughter,” was isolated, moved from Utah to North Dakota, and subjected to hours-long daily “revelations” described as sexually graphic and delusional, leading to severe breakdown until her non-FLDS parents retrieved her and she rapidly improved. He criticizes FLDS parents and leaders for enabling harm, notes internal ambiguity over leadership, and warns the situation could escalate. He also condemns a polygamist Barlow group, naming Heber Barlow for marrying his 19-year-old niece. Jaden explains his recent podcast break due to panic-like aftereffects from revisiting cult trauma and plans to continue less frequently while focusing on healing and the future.

00:31 Who Leads FLDS Now
 01:33 Warren Jeffs Bigger Picture
 03:52 Adoptive Daughters Call
 06:10 Helaman Money Control
 07:21 North Dakota Move
 08:29 Revelations Drive Insanity
 13:49 Girl Health Collapse
 16:10 Who Is Responsible
 17:08 Sent Back To Parents
 20:48 Sister Disappears Story
 25:32 Loyalty Over Children
 30:03 Parents Held Accountable
 33:15 Brainwashing And Neurons
 34:38 Loyalty Trainings Exposed
 38:00 Depravity And Death Spiral
 40:18 Reality Snaps And Truth
 44:30 Barlow Group Clarification
 45:59 Heber Barlow Predation
 48:46 Final Warnings To Family
 50:00 Podcast Break And Panic
 55:19 Healing And New Vision
 57:21 Closing And Next Steps

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Jaden Jeffs recounts how Claire, a happy 23-year-old in a small rural community, married a widely respected 40-year-old preacher who increasingly controlled her by forcing separations from her children and repeatedly sending her away while her father supported him. As the preacher began fleeing police, Claire, her children, and her 12-year-old sister Elsie were moved around, and Elsie was even placed in the preacher’s home. After the preacher was arrested, Claire was kept believing he would return, until her children later discovered he was imprisoned for life and that Claire’s father had been arrested after authorities found evidence he had performed a “spiritual” marriage ceremony marrying Elsie to the preacher. Jaden reveals this is his family story: Claire is his mother Monica, the preacher is his father Warren Jeffs, and Elsie remains loyal, still waiting for him.

00:23 Claire Country Life

02:47 Falling For Preacher

05:31 Marriage And Kids

06:15 Isolation And Control

11:09 Elsie Moves In

13:55 On The Run

15:18 Prison And Confusion

18:19 Truth Comes Out

19:40 Kids Investigate

21:13 Family Reveal

23:23 Closing Question

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Dating After the FLDS, Panic Attacks, and Where I Stand on God | Jaden Jeffs Podcast Update

Jaden Jeffs shares a personal update four years after leaving the FLDS, discussing his dating life, his decision to delete dating apps, and how he’s been meeting people through dancing while rebuilding confidence after strict rules around interacting with women. He describes realizing his discomfort with closeness may be a protective trauma response. He addresses religion, explaining a recent panic-attack experience felt like pressure to accept Jesus, and says he’s not a devout Christian or Mormon, is unsure about God, but believes in a higher power. He emphasizes mental health as essential, details his panic attacks, therapy insights about dissociation and reconnecting with bodily emotions, and lifestyle triggers like caffeine, alcohol, and heavy conversations. He answers comments on Mormonism as corporate control and links extreme outcomes to rigid belief systems, outlines how he finds guests, and mentions plans for future episodes with his mom, siblings, and more on Warren Jeffs.

01:20 Dating Life Questions
 02:21 Deleting Dating Apps
 03:38 Learning to Dance
 05:03 FLDS Conditioning and Confidence
 06:27 Attachment and Proceeding Cautiously
 08:54 Where Dating Stands Now
 09:38 God and Panic Moment
 12:44 Mental Health Matters
 17:25 Therapy and Coping Tools
 21:39 Religion and Disconnection
 25:04 Truth Seeking and Healing
 29:53 Answering Viewer Comments
 33:51 Mormonism and Extremes
 40:36 Podcast Growth and Backlash
 44:31 Finding Guests and Future Plans
 48:01 Wrap Up and Life Advice

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Joseph Smith vs. Warren Jeffs: Polygamy, Power, and Mormonism’s Dark Legacy | Lindsay Hansen Park

On the Jaden Jeffs Podcast, Jaden interviews Mormon historian Lindsay Hansen Park about parallels between Joseph Smith and Warren Jeffs, arguing Mormon culture can normalize coercion by making leaders righteous and excusing abuse. They discuss Joseph Smith’s polygamy (including a 14-year-old), power consolidation in Nauvoo, sincerity versus manipulation, and how his death created martyrdom that helped Mormonism endure. Lindsay describes Mormonism as “catnip for predators,” cites patterns of obedience, complicity, and victim-perpetrator complexity, and compares LDS corporatization with fundamentalist attempts to restore early doctrines. They cover Brigham Young’s influence, the Mountain Meadows Massacre and historical cover-up, Porter Rockwell’s violence, debates over the Journal of Discourses, Adam-God doctrine, psychedelic/trance theories in early Mormon ecstatic experiences, and challenges of healing after leaving high-control religion. Lindsay plugs Sunstone, her upcoming book The Ballad of Juanita Brooks, and her podcasts.

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01:19 Meet Lindsay Hansen Park
 06:38 Joseph Smith vs Warren Jeffs
 09:59 Martyrdom and Legacy
 16:19 Victims and Perpetrators
 17:55 Polygamy Then and Now
 21:17 Occult Roots and Boredom
 25:05 Childhood Parallels
 31:37 Gold Plates and Confidence
 39:20 Joseph Smith Sincerity
 40:56 Warren Jeffs Psychology
 45:09 Complicity Shared Delusion
 48:11 Porter Rockwell Myth
 49:33 Joseph Smith Child Brides
 55:40 Predators and Mormon Culture
 01:11:01 Charisma and Primary Voice
 01:19:36 Brigham Young Guilty Pleasure
 01:23:31 Loving a Complicated Father
 01:25:09 Faithful Mormon Bad Manners
 01:25:50 Journal of Discourses Debate
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 01:41:38 Polygamy Denial Conspiracies
 01:49:26 Rulon Jeffs Infiltration Theory
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 01:58:25 Adam God Doctrine Setup
 02:00:55 Brigham Young Origins
 02:02:41 Church Scrubs Doctrine
 02:04:52 Numbers And Polygamy
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Emily Lee on Growing Up AUB, Abuse, Leaving Polygamy, and Rebuilding After Divorce | Jaden Jeffs Podcast

On the Jaden Jeffs Podcast, Jaden interviews Emily Lee, who was raised in the AUB (United Apostolic Brethren) with a father who had multiple wives and dozens of children and is now the group’s prophet. Emily describes severe anxiety, heavy childcare responsibilities from age eight, favoritism among wives, and physical abuse from her father and a favored wife, contrasting public appearances with private violence. She discusses AUB size, history, and how leadership uses rules, dress codes, and media restrictions to maintain control, including “recycling” women back into the group. Emily explains marrying at 17 to a non-AUB man, becoming an instant mother, enduring infidelity and trauma bonding, divorcing and remarrying him, and later divorcing again, plus ongoing therapy, PTSD, and rebuilding her identity.

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02:59 Growing Up AUB 04:37 Dad Behind Closed Doors 06:10 AUB Size And Image 12:05 Prophet Power Shift 19:29 Funeral And Burial Talk 22:07 Teen Years And School 30:18 Sneaky Romance Marriage 34:48 Trauma Bonded Marriage 45:38 Recycling Women Doctrine 50:59 First Divorce Escape Plan 55:14 Stepdaughter And Mom Guilt 01:00:04 Why They Reunited 01:00:56 Divorce and Coparenting 01:02:26 Remarriage Decision 01:06:30 Grief After Divorce 01:08:40 Faith After AUB 01:10:04 Dating and Red Flags 01:16:51 AUB Future and Polygamy 01:28:10 Identity After Cult 01:46:17 PTSD and Starting Over 01:53:14 Closing and Channel Plug

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Ex-Mormon Madison Sparkles on Purity Culture, Temple Anxiety, Mental Health & Leaving the LDS Church | Jaden Jeffs Podcast

On the Jaden Jeffs Podcast, ex-Mormon writer Madison Sparkles (Substack: Confessions of a 30-Year-Old Virgin) discusses growing up devout LDS in Iowa after moving from Utah, strict modesty and chastity expectations, bishop worthiness interviews, confusion around coffee vs. caffeine, and the pressures of Mormon dating and singleness. She describes serving as a temple worker, loving baptisms for the dead, but feeling intense anxiety during the endowment ceremony, including discomfort with temple clothing and symbolism. Madison recounts receiving a mission call to Daejeon, Korea, getting severely ill at the Provo MTC, coming home early with lasting stigma, and later leaving the church after worsening anxiety, depression, and scrupulosity, plus learning about the second anointing, LGBTQ issues, and troubling church history. She shares post-exit backlash, the fear of members wanting ex-members to fail, and her message to stop “shrinking.”

01:07 Podcast Introductions 02:28 Growing Up Mormon Iowa 04:46 Obedience And Rules 05:48 Coffee Caffeine Confusion 10:43 Modesty Shoulder Signals 12:31 Bishop Worthiness Interviews 18:03 Dating Marriage Pressure 20:04 Purity Culture Upsides 22:28 Masturbation Sex Education 25:22 Mission Call Korea 27:30 Height And Mormon Norms 39:57 MTC Training And Age Change 44:54 Missionary Surge Buzz 46:06 Church Mission Mindset 46:53 Everything Proves True 48:25 Sick Before Korea 53:31 Early Return Stigma 01:02:39 Trying to Go Back 01:07:12 Resentment and Rumors 01:09:59 Temple Devotion 01:14:45 Endowment Anxiety 01:21:18 Leaving and Scrupulosity 01:25:07 Scrupulosity and guilt 01:27:28 Grace never enough 01:29:48 ADHD and inspiration overload 01:32:33 Leaving makes you enemy 01:36:14 History cracks the shelf 01:37:45 Mental health breaking point 01:44:50 God said it’s okay 01:48:59 Second anointing shock 01:52:52 Joseph Smith parallels 01:55:08 Life after leaving 02:01:29 Purity culture fallout 02:06:47 Don’t shrink message 02:09:03 Breaking the cycle

Amelia Miles on Leaving the LDS Church: Shame, Women’s Inequality, Trauma, and Alleged Abuse Cover-Ups | Jaden Jeffs Podcast

On the Jaden Jeffs Podcast, Amelia Miles, a northern Utah mom of four raised in an orthodox LDS family in southern Utah, shares her experience leaving the church and the guilt, anxiety, and scrupulosity she says shaped her life. She discusses sheltered upbringing, learning to swear and drink without shame, cliquey Mormon culture, and marrying her husband in the temple in 2009 before later separating while both leave the church. Amelia describes being assaulted in high school and contrasts her parents’ support with stories of bishops blaming victims. She cites women’s inequality and her daughter’s bishop interview question about women leaders as major catalysts, and says researching “We Are the People” podcast led her to claims of church-related abuse cover-ups, including the Glenn Pace memo and allegations about Gordon Bowen, while urging belief and support for survivors and witnesses.

01:40 First Drinks And Mormon Guilt 06:57 Orthodox Mormon Upbringing 10:32 Moving Away And Finding Herself 16:32 Meeting Husband And Temple Marriage 27:03 Scrupulosity And Mormon Mom Cliques 33:25 Family Anxiety and Guilt 34:05 Deconstructing After Leaving 37:33 Swinging Rumors and Curiosity 41:25 Patriarchy and Women 45:41 Marriage and Church Pressure 48:25 Mormon Mom Social Mask 52:37 Home Feeling vs Spirituality 01:00:43 Podcast That Changed Everything 01:06:47 Survivors and Receipts 01:09:24 Gordon Bowen Allegations 01:13:47 Power Spirituality and Abuse 01:19:32 CIA Mormon Recruiting 01:24:22 Holy Ghost vs Morality 01:34:43 Coming Back to Body 01:50:26 Identity After Leaving 02:00:45 Final Thoughts and TikTok

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Ex-Kingston Clan Insider Josh Kingston on The Order: Hiding Wives, Abuse, Queerness & Escaping Polygamy

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On the Jaden Jeffs Podcast, Jaden and co-host Amanda Rae interview Josh Kingston, who left the Kingston Clan (“The Order,” DCCS). They discuss the group’s polygamy, incest and underage marriage allegations, financial exploitation of wives, and strict control tactics including forced displays of happiness and corporal punishment. Josh describes realizing he was gay young, repression in the group, and how coming out led to family estrangement and only a few relatives acknowledging his husband. He recounts being sent at 17 to help run families hiding in Colorado to avoid DNA warrants, the harsh living conditions for wives and children, and leaving at 19 with little money after unpaid labor. They cover the group’s schooling, cheating, distrust of medical care, Josh’s mother’s preventable death, and the ongoing impact of trauma, identity, and rebuilding life outside the cult.

01:06 Podcast Introductions
02:08 Kingston Family Ties
04:17 Coming Out In Polygamy
08:55 Hiding From Authorities
13:57 Polygamy Economics
16:45 Abuse And Obedience
23:26 Medical Neglect Stories
28:13 Daily Rituals Explained
30:29 Prayer Rituals and Doubt
31:40 Puberty Without Sex Ed
35:18 Privacy Policing at Home
37:59 Body Shame and Siblings
43:05 Marriage Pressure and Opting Out
45:57 Kids and Fostering Dreams
49:24 Leaving the Order in Colorado
52:38 Cut Off After Coming Out
54:00 Money and Bloodline Status
59:52 Schooling and Cheating Scandal
01:03:31 Education Catch Up
01:03:53 Whitewashed FLDS History
01:05:14 Missing Pop Culture Basics
01:06:07 Rebuilding After Leaving
01:08:04 Spotting Cult Red Flags
01:10:31 Dating After Brainwashing
01:12:19 Finding Your Social Self
01:14:53 Therapy Drugs and Normal
01:17:01 Cult Leaders and Charisma
01:18:50 Family Ties and Judgment
01:22:27 Faith Doubt and Heaven
01:29:57 Death Anxiety and Ghosts
01:34:08 Trump Shooting Conspiracy
01:37:25 Daycare Abuse Coverups
01:38:11 Biodiesel Fraud Fallout
01:39:26 Vanguard School Money Laundering
01:40:45 Cheating and Accountability
01:42:25 Healthy Narcissism Talk
01:44:31 Therapy and Healing
01:46:02 Future of The Order
01:49:08 Polyamory vs Polygamy
01:50:43 Monogamy Betrayal and Consent
01:57:34 Leaving Cult Life Reflections
02:02:16 Recruitment and Mormon History
02:05:47 Shoutouts and Wrap Up

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Escaping the Kingston Group (The Order): Andrew Robinson on Abuse, Forced Labor, and Leaving Polygamy | The Jaden Jeffs Podcast

On The Jaden Jeffs Podcast, Jaden interviews Andrew Robinson, who was born into the Kingston Group (The Order/Davis County Cooperative Society) as the son of Daniel Kingston’s third wife; Daniel had up to 14 wives and an estimated 160 children, and Andrew says Daniel was abusive, controlling, and kept families separated. Andrew describes childhood forced labor at the farm, limited schooling and sex education, social anxiety, and a marriage process requiring approvals from Paul Kingston and parents, with expectations to propose on a first date. He recounts his mother’s cancer being treated with a YouTube-found regimen, his sister Rachel running to police over abuse, being returned home, and later dying by suicide, after which his mother died soon after. Andrew says COVID and cult-exposure videos helped him recognize the group as a scam, and he and his wife left with help from Holding Out Help; he urges members to “unpack the boxes” and stop lying to themselves. He promotes his book, "Escaping the Kingdom of God."

00:59 Meet Andrew Robinson
01:50 Marriage Age and Hierarchy
02:56 Abuse and Farm Labor
06:24 Kingston Leadership Explained
07:46 Incest and Normalized Praise
11:38 Puberty Without Sex Ed
18:52 Resenting a Violent Father
20:40 Shyness and Forced Isolation
24:32 Sunday Night Dread
28:31 Dances and Mom’s Push
34:08 Direction to Choose a Wife
38:41 First Date Proposal Pressure
40:45 Fighting for Permission
42:58 Engagement Yes Moment
43:51 Quick Wedding Culture
45:30 Order Money System
48:46 New Marriage Reality
51:26 Shelfing Doubts
54:17 Mom’s Cancer Control
01:00:16 Rachel Runs Away
01:07:07 Aftermath and Blame
01:17:15 Leaving the Order
01:26:09 Polygamy Pressure
01:30:50 Rewiring as a Parent
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On the Jaden Jeffs Podcast, Steph recounts a childhood marked by repeated sexual and physical abuse in LDS-connected homes and the ways church authority, secrecy, and “repentance” were used instead of protection. She describes her father’s abuse and conviction, abusive stepfathers, frequent moves while homeless or evading child services, and being exploited for labor after being pulled from school. At 15, she reported an attempted assault by her stepbrother-in-law Richard; her family blamed her, and an LDS bishop bailed him out and supported him before he fled and later was convicted of several felonies after additional victims. Steph also describes being groomed at 16–17 by a 28-year-old LDS leader, being shamed and disfellowshipped by a bishop, and later being denied church aid unless she paid tithing. She connects these patterns to her sister Cindy’s later life sentence for a 2009 killing and to her niece’s trafficking case, arguing for mandatory reporting laws.

00:47 Podcast intro and guest
03:07 Parents and early abuse
06:15 Bishop knew for years
07:08 Stepdad Alan and violence
13:05 Midnight moves and homelessness
17:42 Utah motels and crash
21:28 Mom marries Mike fast
25:39 Richard the abuser
28:20 Pulled from school and exploited
30:04 Child labor at Business Habitat
37:04 Abandoning brother and Oregon
42:39 Church life and mistletoe sales
45:27 Back to Utah Again
47:14 Assault and Blame
50:14 Bishop Bails Predator
52:26 Closet Punishment
58:19 Running to Hospital
59:58 Kinship with Brother
01:01:58 Move to Florida
01:04:26 Milton Grooms Her
01:10:57 Bishop Disfellowships
01:16:08 Forced Teen Marriage
01:20:32 Hawaii Teen Mom
01:30:02 Divorce and Tithing
01:32:31 Tithing Or Groceries
01:35:09 Phasing Out Of Church
01:35:40 Early Doubts And Racism
01:37:27 Cindy Left Behind
01:39:38 Isolation And Suicide Attempts
01:41:52 Cindy With The Kids
01:44:31 Murder Plot Unfolds
01:48:28 Life Without Parole
01:51:29 Trauma And Accountability
01:54:23 Little B Abandoned
01:57:14 Tinder Predator And Trafficking
02:02:00 Seeking Help From OUR
02:08:02 Trial PTSD And Jail
02:13:34 Rebecca Dies Family Twist
02:16:08 Cut Off After Leaving
02:16:42 Family Fallout After Death
02:18:05 Predator Warning to Kids
02:19:35 Church Covers Abuse
02:21:16 Hotline and Moving Abusers
02:28:09 Affairs Worse Than Abuse
02:31:21 Tithing and Exploiting Poverty
02:35:51 LDS and FLDS Similarities
02:37:01 Tim Ballard Controversy
02:42:35 Push for Mandatory Reporting
02:46:16 Marching and Final Wrap

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