Resilience is often described as bouncing back, but real resilience is usually messier, slower, and much more human than that.

Gary speaks with Laura Gatien, Founder and CEO of Laura Gatien & Associates Counselling Services Inc., about what it means to keep going through hard seasons, why healing is rarely linear, and how therapy can become a proactive part of everyday health. Together, they explore stigma, social support, and the powerful reminder behind Laura’s work: we all struggle, and needing help is part of being human.