This week, Elizabeth Holmes, once described as America’s first self-made female billionaire, goes on trial for fraud. She’s accused of defrauding investors, doctors and patients who believed in the promise of her company, Theranos, which promised to test for hundreds of diseases—all from a single drop of blood.

ABC News chief business, technology and economics correspondent Rebecca Jarvis has covered Holmes and Thernos extensively, and this week her podcast, The Drop Out, returns for a new season focused on the trial.

“For me, part of the joy of doing the work with The Drop Out: Elizabeth Holmes on Trial was both the investigative side, but also this creativity where I was in this entirely new format...it was like painting with a paintbrush and getting to test things.”

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In Episode 16 of the podcast, I talked to Dateline NBC supervising producer Dan Slepian about his podcast, 13 Alibis, which told the story of a man convicted of murder despite having thirteen people willing to testify he was in another state when the crime was committed.

“I think that we would be stunned as a country to get a real understanding of how many people have been taken from their families, and put in prison for crimes they didn't commit.”

“This isn’t an aberration. It’s how the system works,” he told me.

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