In this episode, podcast host Steve Vancore chats with retired city manager Mike Abels about tackling unconventional challenges in city management. They discuss how modern issues often require adaptive solutions beyond traditional hierarchical methods. Emphasizing the importance of situational awareness and interagency communication, they explore how decentralizing decision-making can help address the societal polarization exacerbated by biased media and a decline in local news consumption.

The conversation also touches on the necessity of collaboration in governance, with Mike citing historical successes and failures to illustrate effective and ineffective strategies. They conclude by discussing the challenges posed by disruptive commissioners and the potential role of educational initiatives like citizens' academies in fostering a better understanding of democratic processes. This episode offers a condensed look at innovative management strategies for today's complex governmental landscape.