I am joined by two lovely friends, Ludwik and Emily, for a chat about their friendship for the past 11 years. Both were students of mine in 2018-19 and had very different experiences in English. They discuss what values they teach each other, how they make each other do the hard things and not worry so much. The origin story of ‘The Thinius Card’ is explained too.

(45 mins – Right click / long press here to download – 30.9 mb – 3/05/24)