In this episode he shares the red flags he spotted leading up to CosmicSkeptic's recent u-turn, and we discuss the initial intentions of the founders of the Vegan Society. David also shares why Leslie Cross—not Donald Watson—was perhaps the most significant figure in the foundation of the modern vegan movement and its principles, and talks about the errors he has seen the Vegan Society make since Cross's initial doctrine. David also shares why he sees utilitarianism as an incompatible philosophy with veganism.

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