John and Seth join the rest of the world in discussing the Epstein/Trump controversy and the extent to which it’s creating a real split between Trump and the MAGA base that cares so deeply about blowing the lid on this story. They talk about the evidence that actually exists to identify a rift or the rift’s closure, the political consequences of an angry and rootless base, the influence of the media in all this, and some actual evidence of savvy congressional Democrats. Plus, Bastille Day pastries and kolaches from Norm’s Coffee Bar in Newton, Kansas.

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