Invention vs. innovation--what's the difference? In this episode we discuss these two forces of social change, and share a handful of amazing stories from each camp. We also hear from John Geoghegan, the author of several books on what he calls "White Elephant Technology," or "WETech." You can learn more about John at https://www.johnjgeoghegan.com. I also welcome my old friend Paul Whalen to the episode; Paul will be joining me on a few more programs in the near future.