Dan is joined by actor, writer, and podcaster, Charlie Clausen!

We chat about the endurance of podcasting, putting out a podcast with his Mum, wanting to be a puppeteer, producing, getting swept up in emotion while producing, being familiar in unfamiliar territory, bringing out the best when things go wrong, forming allies, being more forgiving of yourself, working on Home and Away, spending most of your time creating, hitting brick walls, writing technique, pitching, withstanding rejection, input, holding onto the identity of your project, going to America for pilot season, not being exceptional on just who you are, the frustration of recording your own audition, sustaining an energy on Blue Heelers, defense mechanisms, being raised Catholic, not talking yourself up, putting it into action, behind the scenes of TOFOP, and a whole lot more!

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