Evan and Eli are one-on-one for this episode. Within minutes they realize that Melissa represents a shadow mother figure in the podcast dynamic and that her absence allows for more dick jokes. Discussing the phallic qualities of their mic stands provides a bridge to a slightly more serious conversation: 

• “Sounding gay”
• Southern sayings 
• Family therapy 
• Intervening in a family system 
• Garden gnome drunk
• Love pats instead of spankings 
• Fast routes to treating core elements of clients
• Saying unconventional things to clients to diffuse and restructure conversations
• Old men becoming softer
• I’d be a bad father if I was warm and loving 
• Our questions are often a projection of ourselves 
• Revictimization of trauma experiences in institutions that are needing data to funding and reimbursements
• Evan tells a kid to punch a hole in the wall

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