In part two of my chat with the astonishingly-lovely Joe Ford (@docoho), we discuss a story that never could have happened on TV, skip through the Wilderness Years, and finish with men, men and more men!

You can find Joe Ford on Twitter: @docoho

And his various podcasts - A Hamster with a Blunt Penknife, The Nimon Be Praised, Finish Big and Untitled Star Trek Project - on your podcast catcher of choice!

And you can find me on Twitter: @frakturedboy

And on BlueSky: @frakturedboy.bsky.social