Ellen and Shaughn are broadcasting from the quarters of David Zwick and Winston Carter aka the guys behind the Try It You'll Like It podcast!

Before welcoming their guests they tackle a mailbag question about orange wine aka skin contact wine. They explain it and unpack the name. Ellen suggests it rebrand as touché blanc. Shaughn's vote is to call it rust. 

They then crack open an unusual wine from San Benito: Harrington Siletto Vineyard Corvina! It is a red...or is it a rosé? It is an unusual grape to be grown in California!

David and Winston get into their life in food, and how they feel about wine. Neither one is sold on wine when they could be drinking beer, but Winston is obsessed with the film "Somm" so change is afoot. And David astutely smelled notes of watermelon jolly rancher on the wine. They spoke the wine language!

The evening culminated with a tasting of Malort, the maligned/beloved bitter Chicago amaro. One of the crew loves it...

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