This one’s not clean. It’s not polished. It’s real.

In this episode, Dillon opens up about the parts of his life that have cracked wide open spiritually, emotionally, and relationally over the last year and invites Pastor Jamie to speak into those raw places as a spiritual father.

Together, they explore what it means to lead while still healing, to confront the gap between who you’ve been and who you’re becoming, and to receive correction from someone who loves you enough to call it out.

This isn’t a highlight reel. This is a behind-the-scenes confession of the cost of transformation.

In this episode:

• What broke Dillon this year, and why it needed to
• How to lead others while still bleeding internally
• Spiritual fathering, blind spots, and what God might be pruning
• Jamie’s journey with physical discipline and why it’s spiritual too
• The hidden pressure of performance in Christian leadership

Quote to remember:
"You can’t lead well if you won’t bleed honestly."

If you’ve ever felt like you’re still becoming, still breaking, still being rebuilt, this episode is a lifeline.