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Episode 296: Joel P. Jensen Custodian is Competitive Jigsaw Puzzler

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She is known for her custodial skills keeping classrooms clean and everything in working order at Joel P. Jensen Middle School. But in her free time, Allison Kunz is passionate about cleaning up and beating the competition in the sport of speed puzzling.

On this episode of the Supercast, we find out what speed puzzling is, what it takes to win, and how Allison Kunz has managed to qualify for world championships in the sport.

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Allison Kunz:

In training for things like Nationals and Worlds, they'll throw anything at it. I will buy anything and try it. The more you do something, the less intimidating it is.

Anthony Godfrey:

Sure. That was fast. That was really fast.

Allison Kunz:

Ten minutes?

Anthony Godfrey:

Seven minutes, thirty-eight seconds.

Allison Kunz:

So, probably ten minutes with the sword.

Anthony Godfrey:

Very fast, yeah.

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Anthony Godfrey:

Hello and welcome to the Supercast. I'm your host, Superintendent Anthony Godfrey. She is known for her custodial skills, keeping classrooms clean and everything in working order at Joel P. Jensen Middle School. But in her free time, Allison Kunz is passionate about cleaning up and beating the competition in the sport of speed puzzling.

On this episode of the Supercast, we find out what speed puzzling is, what it takes to win, and how Allison Kunz has managed to qualify for world championships.

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We're here today at Joel P. Jensen Middle School to talk with a speed puzzler. Introduce yourself. Tell everyone what you do here at Joel P. Jensen.

Allison Kunz:

I am Allison Kunz. I'm the lead custodian here at Joel P. Jensen. It's my job to come in, typically, at the end of the day and turn the school around, get it all clean, fixed, and ready for the next day.

Anthony Godfrey:

The lead works the swing shift and really brings the school back together from the day's activities, readying it for the next day.

Allison Kunz:

Yep. I like to say we turn the chaos back into order.

Anthony Godfrey:

Very good. Very good. And how long have you been here at Joel P. Jensen?

Allison Kunz:

I've been at Joel P. almost a year. I was at Oquirrh Hills Middle School for a year before I came here.

Anthony Godfrey:

Awesome. Well, we're very glad to have you.

Allison Kunz:

Thank you.

Anthony Godfrey:

Tell me about speed puzzling. First of all, you are decked. You've got your puzzle pants on with puzzle pieces all over. You've got your competition shirt from Nationals. Tell me about what is speed puzzling exactly.

Allison Kunz:

So speed puzzling is you take a 500-piece puzzle, they count down, three, two, one, go. You open a bag, dump out the puzzle, and do it as fast as you can.

Anthony Godfrey:

And what got you started on this?

Allison Kunz:

I fell into it by accident. A Facebook group I'm involved in did a kind of informal speed puzzling competition, and I just thought it was great fun.

Anthony Godfrey:

So what was the Facebook group initially related to puzzling or no?

Allison Kunz:

Yeah, it's called Dowdle Puzzle Lovers. It features Eric Dowdle's puzzles.

Anthony Godfrey:

So you've been a fan of Eric Dowdle's puzzles for a long time.

Allison Kunz:

I have a calendar of Eric Dowdle’s from 2001.

Anthony Godfrey:

Oh, wow.

Allison Kunz:

I've loved his artwork for many, many years. So, yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:

Wow. And so the group had a competition, and you jumped in.

Allison Kunz:

They did. It was a kind of informal thing. I jumped in and said, "That could be fun. Why not? I've never tried that."

Anthony Godfrey:

And you wrecked everyone the first time around.

Allison Kunz:

I did not. I did not. But I had fun and discovered I'm not that slow.

Anthony Godfrey:

Okay.

Allison Kunz:

And with a little work, I could be faster.

Anthony Godfrey:

You need to be better at bragging. “I'm not that slow” is not a good brag.

Allison Kunz:

I'm not the fastest, but I'm not the slowest either.

Anthony Godfrey:

And tell me about the different types of competitions you've been in, the types of events you've participated in.

Allison Kunz:

So I've done a little bit of everything from just kind of informal stuff to state stuff to a few out of state, and then to nationals.

Anthony Godfrey:

What's the level of speed puzzling in the state? How frequent are things happening?

Allison Kunz:

We have some really competitive people. We had 11 people go to nationals this year from Utah. And yeah, there are some people that are really fast.

Anthony Godfrey:

How does the qualifying work when you're trying to go from the state level to the national level? Is it a certain amount of time on a certain puzzle?

Allison Kunz:

It's all pretty informal.

Anthony Godfrey:

Okay.

Allison Kunz:

When you're doing like a state competition, you have two hours to finish the puzzle. Whereas at nationals, it was an hour and a half to finish the puzzle. At Worlds, it's an hour and 15 minutes. So you have to be pretty fast to go and do well.

Anthony Godfrey:

An hour and 15 minutes.

Allison Kunz:

To do a 500-piece puzzle.

Anthony Godfrey:

See, I have no clue. Like a four-minute mile.

Allison Kunz:

A typical person probably does a 500-piece puzzle in about, I would say, about four hours.

Anthony Godfrey:

So, a typical person, 500-piece is four hours.

Allison Kunz;

Probably, yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:

For me, probably eight hours.

Allison Kunz:

And that's totally okay. That's the beauty of puzzling.

Anthony Godfrey:

And for you, what's your personal best on a 500-piece puzzle?

Allison Kunz:

About just over 40 minutes, I think.

Anthony Godfrey:

Just over 40 minutes?

Allison Kunz:

Yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:

Oh, wow. That is fast.

Allison Kunz:

It's fun. You know, when it comes to competing, everybody is so good-natured, and there's not a lot of trash talk because it's always you against the puzzle.

Anthony Godfrey:

Yeah.

Allison Kunz:

You know, everybody's happy for whoever wins. There are certainly people way faster than me. But I just think it's fun.

Anthony Godfrey:

So there's no full-contact puzzling where you're like trying to block each other.

Allison Kunz:

No fighting. No. None of that.

Anthony Godfrey:

Okay. Well, you know, I think that's an idea. We could really explore that.

Allison Kunz:

We could institute that.

Anthony Godfrey:

We could really give it a shot.

Allison Kunz:

We do have the wardrobe to do some WWE kind of stuff.

Anthony Godfrey:

There you go. Now, how do you train for this? Because I assume that the national -- well, first of all, is it a new puzzle–

Allison Kunz:

It is brand new.

Anthony Godfrey:

– when you're at the state or national? Because otherwise, you would just say, "I'm going to do every 500-piece puzzle I can find, and hopefully I'm prepped."

Allison Kunz:

Yeah. At the higher competition, so typically state, national kind of thing, they are unreleased puzzles, puzzles that have not been released before.

Anthony Godfrey:

Hmm. Is there any insider trading where -- are there leaks about what puzzle it's going to be or anything like that?

Allison Kunz:

No. No. I volunteered at Nationals, and I still knew nothing about what puzzles were coming.

Anthony Godfrey:

Oh, okay.

Allison Kunz:

I didn't see inside any of the bags. They had people there that were in charge from the company that sponsored it. They were in charge of the puzzles, and everything was in a bag with a sticker on it for each round, and even volunteering–

Anthony Godfrey:

It's in a dark bag if I -- I think I've seen it on TikTok.

Allison Kunz:

Yeah. I think I’ve got a picture.

Anthony Godfrey:

Isn't it in a dark bag that covers it all?

Allison Kunz:

Yeah. It depends on the competition, but yeah. But this box would be in a bag.

Anthony Godfrey:

Yeah. Let's look through some pictures here.

Allison Kunz:

Let me find..

Anthony Godfrey:

That's awesome. So the puzzle theme must be everywhere.

Allison Kunz:

Everywhere. I did take Joel P. with me and took my lanyard –

Anthony Godfrey:

Oh, yeah. Good. Good. Representing out there.

Allison Kunz:

-- make sure to rep our people.

Anthony Godfrey:

Oh, yeah. Okay. Here you go.

Allison Lunz:

Yeah. So that's the bag it came in.

Anthony Godfrey:

Oh, and that's the brand I was trying -- Ravensburger.

Allison Kunz;

Ravensburger was sponsoring.

Anthony Godfrey:

Yeah. Now, where do you get puzzles locally? Do you buy them mostly online, or do you go to --

Allison Kunz:

I get a lot from thrift stores because I go through a lot.

Anthony Godfrey:

Red Balloon has a lot.

Allison Kunz:

Yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:

Oh, you get them at thrift stores because you --

Allison Kunz:

I do because --

Anthony Godfrey:

You need volume.

Allison Kunz:

Right. Training leading up to nationals, I was doing three or four puzzles a day.

Anthony Godfrey:

Oh, wow.

Allison Kunz:

And that's not sustainable on my salary.

Anthony Godfrey:

Of course. I understand.

Allison Kunz:

To spend $80 a day on puzzles. You know, they tend to range about $20. So, yeah, I get a lot of puzzles from thrift stores and just do them.

Anthony Godfrey:

So if anyone's listening and they have a 500-piece puzzle that they don't want anymore, they can drop that off at Joel P. Jensen.

Allison Kunz:

Absolutely drop it at Joel P.

Anthony Godfrey:

Okay.

Allison Kunz:

And if I'm not using it, they actually have a puzzle table here in the library, which I think is so cool for the kids.

Anthony Godfrey:

Okay. That's a legit request. If you're listening and you've done the puzzle, you've proven yourself, and it's a 500-piece, bring it by Joel P. Jensen.

Allison Kunz:

Bring it by. I will put it to work.

Anthony Godfrey:

Put it to good use.

Allison Kunz:

Yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:

I may have one myself. I'm thinking about that.

Allison Kunz:

Okay.

Anthony Godfrey:

I'm thinking about that.

Allison Kunz:

Drop it off, the 500 pieces are my favorite.

Anthony Godfrey:

Okay. Now, I see that some people have the top of the box propped up.

Allison Kunz:

Yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:

And some do not.

Allison Kunz:

Some do not have one of these fancy plastic–

Anthony Godfrey:

Yeah. And it looks like you brought one.

Allison Kunz:

I did. Yep. My son 3D printed this one for me. It's a box holder. It's got a little puzzle piece on it. It's kind of fun.

Anthony Godfrey:

Wow. That's very nice. So you slip it in the edge of the box in the slot right there.

Allison Kunz:

You can take the box into the slot, and that way you can have it in front of you looking at the puzzle picture.

Anthony Godfrey:

Oh, very nice.

Allison Kunz:

Some puzzles don't include a poster with their–

Anthony Godfrey:

Yeah. I do have one puzzle at home that had the poster that came, which was kind of nice to be able to–

Allison Kunz:

Yeah. Typically, American-made puzzles come with a poster, and those made overseas do not.

Anthony Godfrey:

Oh, interesting. Do you start with the outside edges?

Allison Kunz:

I do not, ever.

Anthony Godfrey:

You never start with the outside?

Allison Kunz:

Okay. I won't say never, but almost never.

Anthony Godfrey:

But generally, that's not the approach.

Allison Kunz:

No, because when I'm doing a puzzle quickly, I need to be able to slide pieces in. So I start with the middle, or I typically start with whatever I think is going to be the easiest, and work my way to the hardest. I might do the top edge, I might do the bottom edge, and kind of fill in, but yeah, I never do the full border. I used to.

Anthony Godfrey:

Well, it makes sense to me that that would just get in the way.

Allison Kunz:

It does.

Anthony Godfrey:

That would prevent you from moving pieces in.

Allison Kunz:

The more times you have to lift pieces up, that slows you down. It's not as efficient.

Anthony Godfrey:

Wow. Never thought of that.

Allison Kunz:

So if you're doing it for leisure, do the border. It gives you some structure.

Anthony Godfrey:

Oh, it will always be for leisure with me. Except when we throw down in a couple of minutes here to see how I do.

Allison Kunz:

To see if you can beat me?

Anthony Godfrey:

That's right. So, do you start with a particular color? Do you say, all right, this is the most distinctive feature on the puzzle? So I'm going to start with the, for example, on this one, I'm going to start with the panda in the treehouse.

Allison Kunz:

Yeah. So I started with the sky area to get that out of the way. And then I worked on the treehouse and on the white house, and then all this stuff on the bottom. You know, with a 500-piece puzzle, when I'm sorting it at the beginning, I might have five or six piles. And I will just grab a pile and try and make sense out of that and then move on to the next pile. And the biggest key to keeping it efficient is if you're not making progress, if you're staring at it for too long, skip that pile, go back to it later.

Anthony Godfrey:

So you pile them up by color.

Allison Kunz:

By color or by feature.

Anthony Godfrey:

Wow. Okay. I'm learning a lot here.

Allison Kunz:

Yeah. In order to make it faster, you've got to do some sort of sorting for most puzzles. There are a few that sorting doesn't do you very much good.

Anthony Godfrey:

Do you do, do you ever do puzzles that are larger or smaller?

Allison Kunz:

Sometimes, yeah. Yeah. I have puzzle boards. I have four puzzle boards at home, and they usually have varying levels of difficulty puzzles going on. I am working on a 3000-piece right now.

Anthony Godfrey:

So 3000-piece is just like, you know, leisurely.

Allison Kunz:

That's leisure. Yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:

That's leisure.

Allison Kunz:

Yeah. Yeah. I tend to stick with the thousand or less because I get impatient when it takes too long.

Anthony Godfrey:

A 3000-piece.

Allison Kunz:

But I do have a 3000-piece that has been very challenging that I'm just taking my time with.

Anthony Godfrey:

What's the theme of the puzzle?

Allison Kunz:

That one is SpongeBob, and it's lots of little tiny pictures. It was a gift from a friend a few years ago, sat in my closet, and I finally said, I have got to do this and get it out of my closet.

Anthony Godfrey:

Do you have trouble parting with puzzles?

Allison Kunz:

Yes.

Anthony Godfrey:

I tend not to part with a puzzle.

Allison Kunz:

If I really like a puzzle, I'll do it several times. So I'll do it and put it away a year or so later. I'll come back and do it again. I have a walk-in closet and it's half full of puzzles. I’m going to need a bigger house here pretty soon if this keeps up.

Anthony Godfrey:

Does the theme of the puzzle, like a SpongeBob or something else, draw you in? Because it seems to me that a lot of times it's kind of a random picture.

Allison Kunz:

I think–

Anthony Godfrey:

Fantasy theme or you know, or some—

Allison Kunz:

My favorite are like the folk art like Dowdle does. That's just my personal favorite. But in training for things like Nationals and Worlds, they'll throw anything at you. So I will buy anything and try it because I want– The more you do something the less intimidating It is. In life and in puzzles. So yeah, things like circle puzzles. Those throw me off every time. I really need to practice a bunch more of those.

Anthony Godfrey:

Circle puzzles. What about the ones that are either all the same color or a gradient?

Allison Kunz:

I do not enjoy those. No, I do like a gradient. Those are fun, and they don't go as slow as you would think. But ones that are kind of monochrome have one or two colors. Not really my thing.

Anthony Godfrey:

It's not for me.

Allison Kunz:

Like I might do it to challenge myself, but I wouldn't find it fun.

Anthony Godfrey:

Yeah. What is it that draws you specifically to Eric Dowdle's puzzles?

Allison Kunz:

I think because there's a story to all of them. You know, he goes out, he researches an area, he listens to people's stories, and gets to learning about what happens in their city or town or whatever. And if you look on the back of his puzzle paper, you can see he's marked what things are of note in the puzzle. So then you can kind of learn more about a place. It's like going on a vacation without actually going on a vacation.

Anthony Godfrey:

That's very cool.

Allison Kunz:

I can't afford to take as many vacations as I would like. And this allows me to, you know, get to know places that I haven't been.

Anthony Godfrey:

A little bit of an escape that includes a sense of place.

Allison Kunz:

Yeah, absolutely.

Anthony Godfrey:

Very nice.

Allison Kunz:

A great way to, you know, use your own imagination. As adults, I don't think we do that nearly enough.

Anthony Godfrey:

We do not. Yeah, I agree with that. Now, did you see that South Jordan hosted him, that Eric Dowdle came out?

Allison Kunz:

I sure did.

Anthony Godfrey:

Did you go?

Allison Kunz:

I was working that night, so I met up with him later. He and I are friends.

Anthony Godfrey:

Oh, you are friends with him.

Allison Kunz:

We are. After this long, yes.

Anthony Godfrey:

That was going to be a tragic story if you had missed out because I'm not much of a puzzler.

Allison Kunz:

I saw him earlier this week. I think we're good.

Anthony Godfrey:

Oh, did you? Okay, good. Good. Yeah, he does a great job, and he was very warm and enjoyable to talk with when I did meet him at the event.

Allison Kunz:

He's much more extroverted than I am myself.

Anthony Godfrey:

As a puzzle maker, he's more extroverted than some puzzlers, maybe.

Allison Kunz:

I think so. I think doing puzzles is maybe more of an introvert thing, but being an artist, you know, you've got to go out and talk to people. You’ve got to go out and see places.

Anthony Godfrey:

Yeah, it was fun to see. And he had a long line. He had a lot of people interested.

Allison Kunz:

He has a lot of fans.

Anthony Godfrey:

Now, there's a South Jordan one. Is there a Herriman one also?

Allison Kunz:

There is a Herriman one. There's a West Valley City one. There is Lindon. There's a bunch.

Anthony Godfrey:

How many puzzles does he have overall?

Allison Kunz:

460 something?

Anthony Godfrey:

And how many of them have you done?

Allison Kunz:

Probably a little over 300.

Anthony Godfrey:

Wow. Wow. I want to see you in action.

Allison Kunz:

You want to see me in action?

Anthony Godfrey:

Yes, I do.

Stay with us. When we come back, Allison demonstrates her speed puzzling skills and the role a dissectologist plays in this puzzling game.

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Anthony Godfrey:

Are you a puzzler? What's it called? What's it called? Are you called a... What's the term?

Allison Kunz:

It's a speed puzzler or a dissectologist.

Anthony Godfrey:

A speed puzzler or a dissectologist?

Allison Kunz:

A dissectologist is someone who loves puzzles. It's a throwback. Did you know?

Anthony Godfrey:

I expected a dissectologist to be holding a scalpel and to be very terrifying.

Allison Kunz:

Oh, let's see what you didn't know. The term dissectologist comes from the origins of jigsaw puzzles. They were invented in 1762 by John Spillsbury, who was an engraver and a mapmaker, a cartologist.

Anthony Godfrey:

John Spillsbury. I love his roles.

Allison Kunz:

And they were originally wooden maps that he cut up to use for geography, to teach kids geography. So originally it was an educational thing.

Anthony Godfrey:

I always thought it was Jeremy Jigsaw that had come up with the puzzle.

Allison Kunz:

Jigsaw wasn't invented until the 1860s or something like that.

Anthony Godfrey:

Really? Wow. Okay.

Allison Kunz:

Originally it was dissectologist because...

Anthony Godfrey:

A dissectologist.

Allison Kunz:

So now, someone who loves puzzles or is a puzzle expert is called a dissectologist.

Anthony Godfrey:

A dissect... I had no clue.

Allison Kunz:

When I'm competing, I'm just a speed puzzler.

Anthony Godfrey:

A speed puzzler. A speed puzzler sounds good if you just say, "I'm the puzzler." It's like a Batman villain. Like a Batman villain is like, "I'm the puzzler."

Allison Kunz:

I could do villain. That could be fun.

Anthony Godfrey:

Well, you know, so far you don't seem villainous. Let's pull out this Dowdle puzzle and let's see it in action.

Allison Kunz:

All right.

Anthony Godfrey:

These are good pieces.

Allison Kunz:

This is a 100-piece puzzle. This is not a super challenge. But I thought it would give me a chance to kind of show you what we're looking for.

Anthony Godfrey:

Now, you don't get to turn all the pieces over when you're timed, right?

Allison Kunz:

You do while you're timed. The timer is already going while you're turning pieces over. So we're dividing things. I'm going to pull the grass. This is the bottom of the puzzle. We're going to pull that down to the bottom.

Anthony Godfrey:

Talk me through what you’re doing.

Allison Kunz:

We're putting the sky at the top. We're putting bushes and building in the middle. And we're just kind of sorting as we go, as quickly as we feel like.

Anthony Godfrey:

And see, you're not setting a separate pile for the edges.

Allison Kunz:

I'm not.

Anthony Godfrey:

And I would always do that.

Allison Kunz:

I do sometimes with the 500-piece, but with a 100-piece,I don't think we need another puzzle pile for that.

Anthony Godfrey:

Yeah.

Allison Kunz:

It's not, you know–

Anthony Godfrey:

Did I see that Dowdle does have a poster that goes with this?

Allison Kunz:

Oh, yeah. There's a poster.

Anthony Godfrey:

I know normally when you're speed puzzling, the sorting would be part of the timing.

Allison Kunz:

It would. Absolutely.

Anthony Godfrey:

But this is also a 100-piece puzzle. And have you ever done a puzzle live on a podcast?

Allison Kunz:

I've never done a podcast.

Anthony Godfrey:

Okay.

Allison Kunz:

No, I've never done a puzzle live on a...

Anthony Godfrey:

This is your moment. I'm going to hit start, and let's see how long it takes you to do a sorted 100-piece puzzle.

Allison Kunz:

Okay. No pressure.

Anthony Godfrey:

Do I count down, or do you?

Alison Kunz:

Go for it.

Anthony Godfrey:

Three, two, one, go.

All right. She sort... She just kind of moved them so that you can see all of the pieces in a particular grouping. I'm going to put the poster up there. But I feel like you don't need the poster.

Allison Kunz:

On this size of puzzle, I probably wouldn't use it too much. It's not really a talk, while you do it kind of thing. Sorry. I'm not much.

Anthony Godfrey:

No, I'm letting you focus. Don't want to get in your way.

Allison Kunz:

Right.

Anthony Godfrey:

Big money on the table.

Allison Kunz:

Oh, yeah. Yeah. This is the one.

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Anthony Godfrey:

You're closing in, just a handful of pieces left. We're working along the bottom edge. And you're... I'm not going to tell you the time. I'm going to see if you can tell how long it took. Stop. There you go. Wow. That was fast. That was really fast.

Allison Kunz:

Ten minutes.

Anthony Godfrey:

Seven minutes, 38 seconds.

Allison Kunz:

So probably 10 minutes with the sorting.

Anthony Godfrey:

Very fast. Yeah. No, you have a really good sense of time and pace. I would be doing it and feel like I've been here for 90 minutes.

Allison Kunz:

I think sometimes it's easy, when the middle of a competition, to be like, "Oh, my gosh. I'm taking forever,” and be tempted to look around and see what other people are doing. And you have to just rein yourself in and go, "It doesn't matter how they're doing." You've just got to focus on what you're doing.

Anthony Godfrey:

You don't win the 100-yard dash by turning and looking over your shoulder.

Allison Kunz:

You don't. You don't look to see who's doing better than you or worse than you. It's not going to change anything anyway. You just got to stay focused and get it done.

Anthony Godfrey:

Yeah. So you talked about state and more informal competitions. What's next for you?

Allison Kunz:

I am registered for Worlds, so if all goes well, then in September, I will go to Spain and puzzle with the world people.

Anthony Godfrey:

You're going to Spain to do puzzles.

Allison Kunz:

I hope so. We'll see if we can work it out.

Anthony Godfrey:

That's really cool. That's really cool.

Allison Kunz:

It'll be a lot of time away from work and family, so we'll just kind of see how that all plays out. September's a ways away, but I'm registered.

Anthony Godfrey:

You're registered.

Allison Kunz;

I've got my plane ticket spot, so we'll see.

Anthony Godfrey:

Really? That's fantastic. So, how many days of puzzling is it?

Allison Kunz:

It's about a week of competition.

Anthony Godfrey:

Wow.

Allison Kunz:

Yeah.

Anthony Godfrey:

Wow. How many puzzles a day?

Allison Kunz:

So it just depends. In Nationals, they did a preliminary round, and then people who moved on moved on to a final round. I think in Worlds, there might be three rounds to get to finals.

Anthony Godfrey:

You go head-to-head?

Allison Kunz:

No, but everybody goes at the same time.

Anthony Godfrey:

And then the top times get to move on.

Allison Kunz:

And then the top times move on. So it'll be the top times like at Nationals. They had three preliminaries, and the top, I think, 66 out of each of the three preliminaries moved on to the final. I did not move on to the final at Nationals. It wasn't my day, and that's okay. Life is about showing up for yourself, doing your best, and even if your best isn't the best, did you choose to have fun?

Anthony Godfrey:

Did you choose to have fun?

Allison Kunz:

I always choose to have fun.

Anthony Godfrey:

You always choose to have fun. Well, I think in Spain, competing in Worlds, that will be an easy choice. I think you'll have a great time.

Allison Kunz:

I mean, it's Spain.

Anthony Godfrey:

It's Spain.

Allison Kunz:

Just like Washington, D.C. That was a great time.

Anthony Godfrey:

Yeah.

Allison Kunz:

I got to go. I got to volunteer as a judge, which I'd never done before, so I was just enjoying the whole experience.

Anthony Godfrey:

Good luck in Spain. I hope everything works out to get there, and that you have a very successful competition.

Allison Kunz:

Thank you.

Anthony Godfrey:

It's been really cool talking with you, and I am going to go home and bust out a puzzle.

Allison Kunz:

Do a puzzle.

Anthony Godfrey:

I'm going to get to it.

Allison Kunz:

Puzzles are great for you.

Anthony Godfrey:

Yeah.

Allison Kunz:

So many things that we can learn from puzzles. Patience, persistence, you know, all of those things.

Anthony Godfrey:

A sense of accomplishment.

Allison Kunz:

Celebrating the little things.

Anthony Godfrey:

Yeah.

Allison Kunz:

You got a border done. Have a little party.

Anthony Godfrey:

Okay. Move forward.

Allison Kunz:

Encourage yourself, not everybody will encourage you.

Anthony Godfrey:

That’s right, that’s right. Thank you for everything you do here at Joel P. Jensen and for letting us explore the world of dissectologists.

Thanks for joining us on another episode of the Supercast. Remember, education is the most important thing you'll do today. We’ll see you out there.

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