She is known for her custodial skills keeping classrooms clean and everything in working order at Joel P. Jensen Middle School. But in her free time, Allison Kunz is passionate about cleaning up and beating the competition in the sport of speed puzzling.
On this episode of the Supercast, we find out what speed puzzling is, what it takes to win, and how Allison Kunz has managed to qualify for world championships in the sport.
Audio Transcription
In training for things like Nationals and Worlds, they'll throw anything at it. I will buy anything and try it. The more you do something, the less intimidating it is.
Sure. That was fast. That was really fast.
Seven minutes, thirty-eight seconds.
So, probably ten minutes with the sword.
Hello and welcome to the Supercast. I'm your host, Superintendent Anthony Godfrey. She is known for her custodial skills, keeping classrooms clean and everything in working order at Joel P. Jensen Middle School. But in her free time, Allison Kunz is passionate about cleaning up and beating the competition in the sport of speed puzzling.
On this episode of the Supercast, we find out what speed puzzling is, what it takes to win, and how Allison Kunz has managed to qualify for world championships.
We're here today at Joel P. Jensen Middle School to talk with a speed puzzler. Introduce yourself. Tell everyone what you do here at Joel P. Jensen.
I am Allison Kunz. I'm the lead custodian here at Joel P. Jensen. It's my job to come in, typically, at the end of the day and turn the school around, get it all clean, fixed, and ready for the next day.
The lead works the swing shift and really brings the school back together from the day's activities, readying it for the next day.
Yep. I like to say we turn the chaos back into order.
Very good. Very good. And how long have you been here at Joel P. Jensen?
I've been at Joel P. almost a year. I was at Oquirrh Hills Middle School for a year before I came here.
Awesome. Well, we're very glad to have you.
Tell me about speed puzzling. First of all, you are decked. You've got your puzzle pants on with puzzle pieces all over. You've got your competition shirt from Nationals. Tell me about what is speed puzzling exactly.
So speed puzzling is you take a 500-piece puzzle, they count down, three, two, one, go. You open a bag, dump out the puzzle, and do it as fast as you can.
And what got you started on this?
I fell into it by accident. A Facebook group I'm involved in did a kind of informal speed puzzling competition, and I just thought it was great fun.
So what was the Facebook group initially related to puzzling or no?
Yeah, it's called Dowdle Puzzle Lovers. It features Eric Dowdle's puzzles.
So you've been a fan of Eric Dowdle's puzzles for a long time.
I have a calendar of Eric Dowdle’s from 2001.
I've loved his artwork for many, many years. So, yeah.
Wow. And so the group had a competition, and you jumped in.
They did. It was a kind of informal thing. I jumped in and said, "That could be fun. Why not? I've never tried that."
And you wrecked everyone the first time around.
I did not. I did not. But I had fun and discovered I'm not that slow.
And with a little work, I could be faster.
You need to be better at bragging. “I'm not that slow” is not a good brag.
I'm not the fastest, but I'm not the slowest either.
And tell me about the different types of competitions you've been in, the types of events you've participated in.
So I've done a little bit of everything from just kind of informal stuff to state stuff to a few out of state, and then to nationals.
What's the level of speed puzzling in the state? How frequent are things happening?
We have some really competitive people. We had 11 people go to nationals this year from Utah. And yeah, there are some people that are really fast.
How does the qualifying work when you're trying to go from the state level to the national level? Is it a certain amount of time on a certain puzzle?
It's all pretty informal.
When you're doing like a state competition, you have two hours to finish the puzzle. Whereas at nationals, it was an hour and a half to finish the puzzle. At Worlds, it's an hour and 15 minutes. So you have to be pretty fast to go and do well.
To do a 500-piece puzzle.
See, I have no clue. Like a four-minute mile.
A typical person probably does a 500-piece puzzle in about, I would say, about four hours.
So, a typical person, 500-piece is four hours.
For me, probably eight hours.
And that's totally okay. That's the beauty of puzzling.
And for you, what's your personal best on a 500-piece puzzle?
About just over 40 minutes, I think.
It's fun. You know, when it comes to competing, everybody is so good-natured, and there's not a lot of trash talk because it's always you against the puzzle.
You know, everybody's happy for whoever wins. There are certainly people way faster than me. But I just think it's fun.
So there's no full-contact puzzling where you're like trying to block each other.
No fighting. No. None of that.
Okay. Well, you know, I think that's an idea. We could really explore that.
We could really give it a shot.
We do have the wardrobe to do some WWE kind of stuff.
There you go. Now, how do you train for this? Because I assume that the national -- well, first of all, is it a new puzzle–
– when you're at the state or national? Because otherwise, you would just say, "I'm going to do every 500-piece puzzle I can find, and hopefully I'm prepped."
Yeah. At the higher competition, so typically state, national kind of thing, they are unreleased puzzles, puzzles that have not been released before.
Hmm. Is there any insider trading where -- are there leaks about what puzzle it's going to be or anything like that?
No. No. I volunteered at Nationals, and I still knew nothing about what puzzles were coming.
I didn't see inside any of the bags. They had people there that were in charge from the company that sponsored it. They were in charge of the puzzles, and everything was in a bag with a sticker on it for each round, and even volunteering–
It's in a dark bag if I -- I think I've seen it on TikTok.
Yeah. I think I’ve got a picture.
Isn't it in a dark bag that covers it all?
Yeah. It depends on the competition, but yeah. But this box would be in a bag.
Yeah. Let's look through some pictures here.
That's awesome. So the puzzle theme must be everywhere.
Everywhere. I did take Joel P. with me and took my lanyard –
Oh, yeah. Good. Good. Representing out there.
-- make sure to rep our people.
Oh, yeah. Okay. Here you go.
Yeah. So that's the bag it came in.
Oh, and that's the brand I was trying -- Ravensburger.
Ravensburger was sponsoring.
Yeah. Now, where do you get puzzles locally? Do you buy them mostly online, or do you go to --
I get a lot from thrift stores because I go through a lot.
Oh, you get them at thrift stores because you --
Right. Training leading up to nationals, I was doing three or four puzzles a day.
And that's not sustainable on my salary.
To spend $80 a day on puzzles. You know, they tend to range about $20. So, yeah, I get a lot of puzzles from thrift stores and just do them.
So if anyone's listening and they have a 500-piece puzzle that they don't want anymore, they can drop that off at Joel P. Jensen.
Absolutely drop it at Joel P.
And if I'm not using it, they actually have a puzzle table here in the library, which I think is so cool for the kids.
Okay. That's a legit request. If you're listening and you've done the puzzle, you've proven yourself, and it's a 500-piece, bring it by Joel P. Jensen.
Bring it by. I will put it to work.
I may have one myself. I'm thinking about that.
Drop it off, the 500 pieces are my favorite.
Okay. Now, I see that some people have the top of the box propped up.
Some do not have one of these fancy plastic–
Yeah. And it looks like you brought one.
I did. Yep. My son 3D printed this one for me. It's a box holder. It's got a little puzzle piece on it. It's kind of fun.
Wow. That's very nice. So you slip it in the edge of the box in the slot right there.
You can take the box into the slot, and that way you can have it in front of you looking at the puzzle picture.
Some puzzles don't include a poster with their–
Yeah. I do have one puzzle at home that had the poster that came, which was kind of nice to be able to–
Yeah. Typically, American-made puzzles come with a poster, and those made overseas do not.
Oh, interesting. Do you start with the outside edges?
You never start with the outside?
Okay. I won't say never, but almost never.
But generally, that's not the approach.
No, because when I'm doing a puzzle quickly, I need to be able to slide pieces in. So I start with the middle, or I typically start with whatever I think is going to be the easiest, and work my way to the hardest. I might do the top edge, I might do the bottom edge, and kind of fill in, but yeah, I never do the full border. I used to.
Well, it makes sense to me that that would just get in the way.
That would prevent you from moving pieces in.
The more times you have to lift pieces up, that slows you down. It's not as efficient.
Wow. Never thought of that.
So if you're doing it for leisure, do the border. It gives you some structure.
Oh, it will always be for leisure with me. Except when we throw down in a couple of minutes here to see how I do.
To see if you can beat me?
That's right. So, do you start with a particular color? Do you say, all right, this is the most distinctive feature on the puzzle? So I'm going to start with the, for example, on this one, I'm going to start with the panda in the treehouse.
Yeah. So I started with the sky area to get that out of the way. And then I worked on the treehouse and on the white house, and then all this stuff on the bottom. You know, with a 500-piece puzzle, when I'm sorting it at the beginning, I might have five or six piles. And I will just grab a pile and try and make sense out of that and then move on to the next pile. And the biggest key to keeping it efficient is if you're not making progress, if you're staring at it for too long, skip that pile, go back to it later.
So you pile them up by color.
Wow. Okay. I'm learning a lot here.
Yeah. In order to make it faster, you've got to do some sort of sorting for most puzzles. There are a few that sorting doesn't do you very much good.
Do you do, do you ever do puzzles that are larger or smaller?
Sometimes, yeah. Yeah. I have puzzle boards. I have four puzzle boards at home, and they usually have varying levels of difficulty puzzles going on. I am working on a 3000-piece right now.
So 3000-piece is just like, you know, leisurely.
Yeah. Yeah. I tend to stick with the thousand or less because I get impatient when it takes too long.
But I do have a 3000-piece that has been very challenging that I'm just taking my time with.
What's the theme of the puzzle?
That one is SpongeBob, and it's lots of little tiny pictures. It was a gift from a friend a few years ago, sat in my closet, and I finally said, I have got to do this and get it out of my closet.
Do you have trouble parting with puzzles?
I tend not to part with a puzzle.
If I really like a puzzle, I'll do it several times. So I'll do it and put it away a year or so later. I'll come back and do it again. I have a walk-in closet and it's half full of puzzles. I’m going to need a bigger house here pretty soon if this keeps up.
Does the theme of the puzzle, like a SpongeBob or something else, draw you in? Because it seems to me that a lot of times it's kind of a random picture.
Fantasy theme or you know, or some—
My favorite are like the folk art like Dowdle does. That's just my personal favorite. But in training for things like Nationals and Worlds, they'll throw anything at you. So I will buy anything and try it because I want– The more you do something the less intimidating It is. In life and in puzzles. So yeah, things like circle puzzles. Those throw me off every time. I really need to practice a bunch more of those.
Circle puzzles. What about the ones that are either all the same color or a gradient?
I do not enjoy those. No, I do like a gradient. Those are fun, and they don't go as slow as you would think. But ones that are kind of monochrome have one or two colors. Not really my thing.
Like I might do it to challenge myself, but I wouldn't find it fun.
Yeah. What is it that draws you specifically to Eric Dowdle's puzzles?
I think because there's a story to all of them. You know, he goes out, he researches an area, he listens to people's stories, and gets to learning about what happens in their city or town or whatever. And if you look on the back of his puzzle paper, you can see he's marked what things are of note in the puzzle. So then you can kind of learn more about a place. It's like going on a vacation without actually going on a vacation.
I can't afford to take as many vacations as I would like. And this allows me to, you know, get to know places that I haven't been.
A little bit of an escape that includes a sense of place.
A great way to, you know, use your own imagination. As adults, I don't think we do that nearly enough.
We do not. Yeah, I agree with that. Now, did you see that South Jordan hosted him, that Eric Dowdle came out?
I was working that night, so I met up with him later. He and I are friends.
Oh, you are friends with him.
We are. After this long, yes.
That was going to be a tragic story if you had missed out because I'm not much of a puzzler.
I saw him earlier this week. I think we're good.
Oh, did you? Okay, good. Good. Yeah, he does a great job, and he was very warm and enjoyable to talk with when I did meet him at the event.
He's much more extroverted than I am myself.
As a puzzle maker, he's more extroverted than some puzzlers, maybe.
I think so. I think doing puzzles is maybe more of an introvert thing, but being an artist, you know, you've got to go out and talk to people. You’ve got to go out and see places.
Yeah, it was fun to see. And he had a long line. He had a lot of people interested.
Now, there's a South Jordan one. Is there a Herriman one also?
There is a Herriman one. There's a West Valley City one. There is Lindon. There's a bunch.
How many puzzles does he have overall?
And how many of them have you done?
Probably a little over 300.
Wow. Wow. I want to see you in action.
You want to see me in action?
Stay with us. When we come back, Allison demonstrates her speed puzzling skills and the role a dissectologist plays in this puzzling game.
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Are you a puzzler? What's it called? What's it called? Are you called a... What's the term?
It's a speed puzzler or a dissectologist.
A speed puzzler or a dissectologist?
A dissectologist is someone who loves puzzles. It's a throwback. Did you know?
I expected a dissectologist to be holding a scalpel and to be very terrifying.
Oh, let's see what you didn't know. The term dissectologist comes from the origins of jigsaw puzzles. They were invented in 1762 by John Spillsbury, who was an engraver and a mapmaker, a cartologist.
John Spillsbury. I love his roles.
And they were originally wooden maps that he cut up to use for geography, to teach kids geography. So originally it was an educational thing.
I always thought it was Jeremy Jigsaw that had come up with the puzzle.
Jigsaw wasn't invented until the 1860s or something like that.
Originally it was dissectologist because...
So now, someone who loves puzzles or is a puzzle expert is called a dissectologist.
A dissect... I had no clue.
When I'm competing, I'm just a speed puzzler.
A speed puzzler. A speed puzzler sounds good if you just say, "I'm the puzzler." It's like a Batman villain. Like a Batman villain is like, "I'm the puzzler."
I could do villain. That could be fun.
Well, you know, so far you don't seem villainous. Let's pull out this Dowdle puzzle and let's see it in action.
This is a 100-piece puzzle. This is not a super challenge. But I thought it would give me a chance to kind of show you what we're looking for.
Now, you don't get to turn all the pieces over when you're timed, right?
You do while you're timed. The timer is already going while you're turning pieces over. So we're dividing things. I'm going to pull the grass. This is the bottom of the puzzle. We're going to pull that down to the bottom.
Talk me through what you’re doing.
We're putting the sky at the top. We're putting bushes and building in the middle. And we're just kind of sorting as we go, as quickly as we feel like.
And see, you're not setting a separate pile for the edges.
And I would always do that.
I do sometimes with the 500-piece, but with a 100-piece,I don't think we need another puzzle pile for that.
Did I see that Dowdle does have a poster that goes with this?
Oh, yeah. There's a poster.
I know normally when you're speed puzzling, the sorting would be part of the timing.
But this is also a 100-piece puzzle. And have you ever done a puzzle live on a podcast?
I've never done a podcast.
No, I've never done a puzzle live on a...
This is your moment. I'm going to hit start, and let's see how long it takes you to do a sorted 100-piece puzzle.
Do I count down, or do you?
All right. She sort... She just kind of moved them so that you can see all of the pieces in a particular grouping. I'm going to put the poster up there. But I feel like you don't need the poster.
On this size of puzzle, I probably wouldn't use it too much. It's not really a talk, while you do it kind of thing. Sorry. I'm not much.
No, I'm letting you focus. Don't want to get in your way.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. This is the one.
You're closing in, just a handful of pieces left. We're working along the bottom edge. And you're... I'm not going to tell you the time. I'm going to see if you can tell how long it took. Stop. There you go. Wow. That was fast. That was really fast.
Seven minutes, 38 seconds.
So probably 10 minutes with the sorting.
Very fast. Yeah. No, you have a really good sense of time and pace. I would be doing it and feel like I've been here for 90 minutes.
I think sometimes it's easy, when the middle of a competition, to be like, "Oh, my gosh. I'm taking forever,” and be tempted to look around and see what other people are doing. And you have to just rein yourself in and go, "It doesn't matter how they're doing." You've just got to focus on what you're doing.
You don't win the 100-yard dash by turning and looking over your shoulder.
You don't. You don't look to see who's doing better than you or worse than you. It's not going to change anything anyway. You just got to stay focused and get it done.
Yeah. So you talked about state and more informal competitions. What's next for you?
I am registered for Worlds, so if all goes well, then in September, I will go to Spain and puzzle with the world people.
You're going to Spain to do puzzles.
I hope so. We'll see if we can work it out.
That's really cool. That's really cool.
It'll be a lot of time away from work and family, so we'll just kind of see how that all plays out. September's a ways away, but I'm registered.
I've got my plane ticket spot, so we'll see.
Really? That's fantastic. So, how many days of puzzling is it?
It's about a week of competition.
Wow. How many puzzles a day?
So it just depends. In Nationals, they did a preliminary round, and then people who moved on moved on to a final round. I think in Worlds, there might be three rounds to get to finals.
No, but everybody goes at the same time.
And then the top times get to move on.
And then the top times move on. So it'll be the top times like at Nationals. They had three preliminaries, and the top, I think, 66 out of each of the three preliminaries moved on to the final. I did not move on to the final at Nationals. It wasn't my day, and that's okay. Life is about showing up for yourself, doing your best, and even if your best isn't the best, did you choose to have fun?
Did you choose to have fun?
I always choose to have fun.
You always choose to have fun. Well, I think in Spain, competing in Worlds, that will be an easy choice. I think you'll have a great time.
Just like Washington, D.C. That was a great time.
I got to go. I got to volunteer as a judge, which I'd never done before, so I was just enjoying the whole experience.
Good luck in Spain. I hope everything works out to get there, and that you have a very successful competition.
It's been really cool talking with you, and I am going to go home and bust out a puzzle.
Puzzles are great for you.
So many things that we can learn from puzzles. Patience, persistence, you know, all of those things.
A sense of accomplishment.
Celebrating the little things.
You got a border done. Have a little party.
Encourage yourself, not everybody will encourage you.
That’s right, that’s right. Thank you for everything you do here at Joel P. Jensen and for letting us explore the world of dissectologists.
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