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Phil and Andrew are joined by Trek from MDFI to talk through some new shotgun shells that are “less lethal”....except they probably aren't. Use of Force is a favorite topic of Trek's, now we weigh in on the gimmics in the self defense world and what impact (if any) they have on the force continuum.

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