The Future of the Administrative State is a weekly podcast, hosted by RealClearPolicy editor Tony Mills, that explores the virtues and vices of administrative power in the era of Trump. In this third episode, Tony talks with Paul Verkuil, former chairman of the Administrative Conference of the United States (2010–2015) and senior fellow at the Center for American Progress. His most recent book, Valuing Bureaucracy: The Case for Professional Government, makes a positive case for the administrative state. Their discussion touches on prospects for bureaucratic reform as well as the constitutional and practical implications of federal agencies’ increasing reliance on private-sector contractors.