Last year, Men's Journal wrote: "In a world yearning for genuine heroes, Nic McKinley stands as a testament to selflessness, core values, and dedication, truly a ‘man for others'."

Nic is Liss 'N Kristi's guest on today's episode. He's an entrepreneur, former military special operator, and ex-CIA operative who led two multimillion-dollar tech companies. 

But he talks mostly about DeliverFund, a non-profit he founded and led, which fights human trafficking by delivering data and technology to law enforcement, working with more than 500 agencies, and enabling them to take down the traffickers.    

Despite being dubbed “The Real Jack Ryan” by VICE Media, Nic tells Liss 'N Kristi his most important role is as a husband and father leading his family in a life of service and adventure in Montana.  When he is not in his office, he can be found on a lake, on the ski slopes, camping, climbing vertical rock or ice in the mountains, with his nose in a book learning something new, or spending downtime with his wife, Danielle. 

Nic's Website:-

https://www.nicmckinley.com/

DeliverFund's Website:- 

https://www.deliverfund.org

STORIES:

00:00 - Start

00:11 - Introducing Nic

00:57 - About DeliverFund 

01:25 - Nic's passion for protecting children from societal predators

02:53 - How technological tools made us effective in combat zones, and how they can be used in fighting trafficking

03:50 - Leaving the CIA and jumping into the tech market

04:10 - The skills of Pararescuemen 

05:45 - Not just combat-related, but also civilian-related

08:03 - Getting qualified on water-based selection and the combat-dive course. Water is the great equalizer

10:24 - Putting people under water and make them accomplish tasks

12:15 - 330 candidates started my class and eight of us graduated

12:32 - 400,000 children go missing in the U.S. every year. One in six are victims of trafficking

13:20 - Learning to think differently in the CIA and getting strategic in leveraging communities

15:00 - Where is the role of society, law enforcement, big business, and social media?

17:20 - The Human Trafficking Rescue Alliance in Houston, TX., have a DeliverFund employee

19:25 - From shooters to computers, leveraging the capability of law-enforcement officers

20:40 - "Human trafficking - that happens over THERE"

21:33 - What we consider corruption, they consider doing business

23:05 - Building anti-corruption systems with corruption in mind

28:00 - The Feds don't have the manpower, it's all state and local

30:14 - How we enable cases to get closed faster and more cheaply 

32:52 - Conversations with the most vulnerable kids

33:10 - Myths about child abductions

35:01 - The non-familial 30-year-old man who identifies a vulnerable child on TikTok thousands of miles away

36:48 - Social Media is really the gateway to children being trafficked 

38:30 - Where is the authenticity?

39:55 - Kristi's time working with the FBI

41:10 - The $500 shoes and the $2000 shoes

43:01 - Today's High School graduates do not know a world without the internet

46:07 - The clientele for human trafficking and pornography

48:15 - A man who has a daughter who will abuse somebody else's daughter

49:57 - Preventing the communications

51:16 - Texas led the country in countering pornography 

52:30 - Ordering up a girl like a pizza

53:00 - Disabling the commerce of human trafficking