In this episode, Flourish calls England to talk to both Elizabeth and Emily Roach, an academic (from fandom!) who specializes in queer literature, particularly queer YA. They talk about queer representation—or the lack thereof—in objects of fandom, especially the gap between YA and other parts of the mainstream media landscape. They also touch on DestinationToast's stats about fanfiction production in the wake of the US presidential election, and ask for listener feedback on the direction of the podcast.