This week on the podcast we are joined by a veteran of our recorded chats, Ben Gladwin, and his partner, Ella Clarke, who joins us for the first time.

Ella has what we would call “a real job”, as well as having taken up pottery, and we thought this balance was an interesting subject for the pod, as well as a good opportunity to just have a good chinwag.

We touch on the separation of money and art, what art even is and how people view/treat you when you decide to take up a new creative venture.

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