The Future of the Administrative State is a weekly podcast, hosted by RealClearPolicy editor Tony Mills, that explores the virtues and vices of administrative power in the era of Trump. In this fourth episode, Tony talks with Nicholas Bagley, a professor of law at the University of Michigan, who argues that contemporary critiques of executive power miss the mark. What we really need, he thinks, is not more “judicial review” of administrative actions, but more “judicial humility.” Their discussion touches on the nature of regulatory oversight, the role of the courts, and today’s political dysfunction.