In this episode of the JC's brand new podcast -Let's Talk, editor Jake Wallis Simons chats to Times columnist Melanie Phillips about her journey from liberal to right-wing, how she came to love Israel and how after all this time, the online attacks still get to her.

Let's Talk is a biweekly podcast with host Jake Wallis Simons and guests from the world of the JC.

Let's Talk is sponsored by The Athena Advisors - find out more about them at https://theathenaadvisors.com/

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