For their next episode, Flourish and Elizabeth wondered how to record a podcast while the world was on fire. So in episode 41, "Fandom Trumps Hate," they speak to Winter and Porcupine Girl, two of the organizers of the Fandom Trumps Hate fanworks auction, which raised more than $32,000 (!) for charities resisting the Trump agenda. They discuss the origins of the auction, how it worked, how it was received, and plans for the future. They also grapple with the role of fandom at large right now, and what individual fans can do.