This week Zac and Michael are talking about the downfall of Carl Lentz--erstwhile pastor and current thirst trap. Then they dig past his downfall into sexy cult church, HILLSONG--where the grift continues.

Also check out an inside look at Hillsong from by Taffy Brodesser-Anker. An honest, poignant look at religion and in many ways an inspiration for our podcast.

https://www.gq.com/story/inside-hillsong-church-of-justin-bieber-kevin-durant