The engagement numbers are in, and they're not great – but Amy and Meg argue we're measuring the wrong things entirely. In this episode, they challenge the obsession with retention, introduce the concept of "negative work," and make the case for why great managers are more crucial than ever in an AI-driven world. From bike shedding to leadership in crisis, this conversation will change how you think about what actually drives workplace success.

Retention Is a Terrible Metric

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