While Meg & Amy are on vacation, we’re bringing you a Leadership Corner supercut! In these candid segments, Meg, Amy, and their guests tackle audience questions and share bold, practical advice on the hottest leadership topics of today.

In this episode, Meg and Amy welcome Dave Lu, Silicon Valley tech veteran, startup founder, investor, activist, Emmy Award-winning producer, and host of the brand new podcast, Hyphen Nation with Dave Lu. The three discuss his experiences as a tech veteran and advocate for the Asian American community. He shares insights on the importance of self-advocacy, the impact of cultural expectations, the differences between a scarcity mindset and an abundance mindset, and so much more.

The engagement numbers are in, and they're not great – but Amy and Meg argue we're measuring the wrong things entirely. In this episode, they challenge the obsession with retention, introduce the concept of "negative work," and make the case for why great managers are more crucial than ever in an AI-driven world. From bike shedding to leadership in crisis, this conversation will change how you think about what actually drives workplace success.

Retention Is a Terrible Metric

Reads from Patty Azzarello: Rise | Move

In this episode, Amy and Meg tackle the complexities of business model shifts in the software industry. The conversation delves into the transition from traditional SaaS models to agentic solutions, exploring new market opportunities and the impact of AI on your role.

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In this episode, Meg and Amy unpack:

– Pricing model shifts

– The transition from on-prem to SaaS to agentic systems

– How AI is impacting employment 

– Why unlearning is a critical component when looking toward the future

Resources & Mentions

Jason Cohen: A Smart Bear | https://longform.asmartbear.com/pricing-determines-your-business-model/

Kyle Poyar: From Selling Access to Selling Work | https://www.growthunhinged.com/p/from-selling-access-to-selling-work

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Today, Meg and Amy talk to HR and leadership legend, Laszlo Bock. The three discuss his insights on the role of CHROs, the importance of diversity and courage in leadership, and reflections on Work Rules! and cultural shifts.

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Meg and Amy sit down with their badass bestie, Jill Popelka, to talk about her experience as a private equity-backed CEO. They dive into her leadership journey, the lessons she’s learned along the way, and the unique superpowers that set her apart.

Welcome to the very first episode of The Meg and Amy Show! In this kickoff conversation, Meg and Amy share the inspiration behind the podcast and dive into some of the big, brain-stretching topics shaping our world.

Join Meg Bear and Amy Wilson for bold conversations that challenge the narrow takes, expand your thinking, and activate you toward what’s next. Welcome to The Meg and Amy Show!