Episode 5: You're Wrong, Steve and Sarah are back, and this time things get a little sticky as security removes them from 5th Avenue Place. In the recording, Steve refers to Indigenous people in Canada as "Our Indigenous People" and Sarah explores with him how this wording comes from an internalized and unearned sense of ownership and superiority. They also explore how Steve's defensiveness caused him to impulsively discredit Sarah, "You're Wrong." They also discuss how White people expect BIPOC folks to provide free education on racism, how Steve's White friends interpret the podcast and how White people will use capitalism and other forms of oppression to avoid talking about racism.