In this episode, we interview mother and son Ashlee and Michael, hosts of the podcast “Michael and Mom Talk Cancer." They share their personal cancer experience and discuss topics such as managing work and finances, the impact of cancer on athleticism and identity, and the importance of maintaining positivity and mental health. They also touch on the concept of toxic positivity and how different individuals have different approaches to dealing with their illness, the challenges of comparing stories and outcomes, as well as the balance between quantity and quality of life. Michael and Ashlee share their experiences of living with the constant reminder of mortality and finding joy in the small things, while also emphasizing the importance of connection and offering practical tips for navigating the cancer experience.

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About our guests:

Meet Michael Cramer, a 22-year-old cancer survivor and bone marrow transplant recipient, known for his social media influence. Born in Paris and raised in Miami, Michael's athletic background includes surfing, skating, and being part of the Olympic Development team for windsurfing.

Ashlee, also known as "mom," has a diverse background as a dancer turned early childhood educator turned cancer caregiver. In 2014, tragedy struck when her husband was diagnosed with Large B Cell Lymphoma. Ashlee became the sole provider for their three children while caring for her husband until his passing in 2016, which brought the family closer together. In July 2020, heartbreak struck again when Michael was diagnosed with an incredibly rare and aggressive cancer, Hepatosplenic T-cell lymphoma, with less than 200 documented cases ever. Despite the average survival being only 8 months, Ashlee quit her job to care for Michael full-time. After enduring chemotherapy, radiation, a bone marrow transplant, and various life-threatening complications, Michael miraculously survived. Throughout his journey, Ashlee never left his side, strengthening their unbreakable bond. 

Turning their heartbreak into a story of "beauty in pain" and love, Michael and Ashlee started a podcast called "Michael and Mom Talk Cancer," along with a website, blog, and YouTube channel. While Michael is still in treatment for complications, he is alive and in remission. Together, Michael and Ashlee strive to fulfill their purpose of love and connection, inspiring not only the cancer community but anyone in need of motivation.

Key Moments:

0:00-11:36 Ashlee and Michael’s Story

11:37-19:50 Comparing and Contrasting Past Confrontations with Cancer

19:51-24:25 What Michael’s Remission Looks Like

24:26-32:24 Reality Checks, Radical Acceptance, Toxic Positivity, etc.

32:25-41:28 The Insight Brought on By Daily Reminders of Mortality

41:29-44:39 Ashlee and Michael’s Advice to All Our Listeners

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