In this episode, I talk with Fleur and Marco about power dynamics and pedagogies within social movements generally but is focused on our experience with Extinction Rebellion. One of the themes that lie at the heart of this discussion is about whose voices are heard. Fleur's research has focused on an understanding of social movements as places of learning and has looked at the role of the urgency narrative within the movement in reproducing the dominant logic, and how the pandemic brought marginal voices closer to the centre. Marco's research has focused on the role of power within the non-hierarchical organisation, and in particular, the power of facilitators to mitigate for power and make space for those who are less dominant in space. 
In the systems change framework, in this episode, we look at how information flows (whose voices are heard) can influence the underlying paradigm we operate from, and some of the practices and forces that have helped to enable this.