My chat with Martyn Havell (@BadWilf) continues, and in part two we're outside the government and beyond the police, and we also discover that we're only Human...

You can find Martyn on Twitter: @BadWilf

And: http://badwilf.com/

You can find me on...

Twitter: @frakturedboy (private account) and @whatsinthebox24 (podcast account)

BlueSky: @frakturedboy.bsky.social

Threads: @frakturedboy

Podcast artwork is by Steve Mellor and the music is by Aaron Best.