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Given the booming numbers of people who report that they don’t belong to any religion (30% in the USA, 70% of young people in Europe), you’d think that religion is not long for this world.  But might those numbers mask the persistence of spirituality even as organized religion steadily declines?  Joe and Mark separate the wheat from the chaff and the faithful from the “nones” in scrutinizing what we gain and lose from religion’s demise, and what might fill the space in peoples’ lives that religion once occupied. (Recorded January 20, 2023.)