I've wanted to interview Joe Hart from the moment I started making this podcast as he has always exuded a powerful empathy for everyone around him even when things in his own life were clearly not going his way. He grew up in New York in a house his dad built with his own hands and eventually moved to Los Angeles to pursue his acting career. And it was only after enduring a series of confouning drunken mishaps out on the road with a touring company that one of his colleagues came to him and suggested, "you don't have to live like this." It reminds me there's help and there's grace everywhere.