Cody Blue explores the true nature of addiction, exploring both the scientific perspective and shamanic perspective of addiction. To learn more about how psychedelic medicines can help heal addiction, Cody interviews doctor Alan Davis, a Johns Hopkins professor, and a plant medicine shaman who healed his addiction with ibogaine, Warren Flesch.

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Dr. Alan K Davis is an Assistant Professor of Social Work at The Ohio State University and an Adjunct Assistant Professor in the Psychedelic Research Unit at Johns Hopkins University. Dr. Davis’s clinical experience includes working with people diagnosed with trauma-based psychological problems such as addiction, PTSD, depression, and anxiety. His clinical expertise includes providing evidenced-based treatments such as motivational interviewing, cognitive behavioral therapy, acceptance and commitment therapy, and psilocybin-assisted psychotherapy. Consistent with his clinical interests, his research interests and expertise focus on contributing to the knowledge of and ability to help those suffering with substance use and mental health problems, understanding how to improve clinical outcomes through examining new treatments, and developing ways to conceptualize substance use and mental health problems through a strengths-based approach. Psychedelic research focuses on clinical trials with psilocybin for people with depression and exploring psychological mechanisms by which psilocybin improves mental health and functioning. Upcoming studies include exploring the use of short-acting psychedelics in laboratory and naturalistic settings and assessing the application of psychedelics in vulnerable populations including people of color who have experienced racial trauma and native Spanish-speaking individuals.

OSU psychedelics conference: https://psychedemiaconference.org/

Warren Flesch is a personal friend of Cody's. He is a musician who has worked in the addiction and recovery space, and he healed his struggles with addiction with the use of psychedelic plant medicines, specifically Ibogaine. 

0:07 - Disclaimer

1:52 - Cody shares a personal story of his long time friends Xanax addiction 

7:20 - Cody turns to Cannabis to alleviate the crash of pharmaceutical medications

10:55 - Healing addiction with Ibogaine teaser

12:02 - Cody introduces guests Dr. Allen Davis and Warren Flesch 

12:43 - Clinical psychologist Dr. Allen Davis on plant medicines and addiction 

15:46 - Addiction and the mind body should connection

17:05 - Addiction does not live inside of a drug

20:29 - Emotional wounds, painful states, mental health and psychedelic therapy

23:15 - Challenges surrounding clinical psychedelic research 

30:00 - Psychological flexibility 

35:10 - Clinical testimony post psilocybin therapy

38:17 - The Shamanic perspective on healing addiction with plant medicines with Warren Flesch

38:57 - ****trigger warning

39:15 - Warrens story

47:15 - Warren loses his job and starts using intravenous drugs

48:18 - Cocaine psychosis and nearly decapitating a someone with a hedge clipper

51:06 - Trying Iboga to relieve drug addiction 

52:10 - The sacred ceremony 

1:09:00 - Professional patients 

1:09:36 - Suggestive states

1:15:35 - The origins of Alcoholics Anonymous 

1:19:11 - Paradigms of addiction 

1:42:20 - Plant medicines, recreational substances and intention 

1:57:52 - Ibogaine treatment centers and risks

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