This week's episode is a conversation with adventure therapy training experts Kim Sacksteder and Nick Magle-Haberek. Kim and Nick are the co-owners and founders of www.adventure-therapist.com which is an organization that offers online and in-person adventure therapy training, consultation, and supervision. In addition to their work at adventure-therapist.com, Sacksteder and Magle-Haberek both work as clinicians and administration in adventure therapy programs. They have also both been involved in the leadership council of the Therapeutic Adventure Professionals Group. In this episode, we discuss mentorship, training, certification, group juggle, and of course; the importance of the rubber chicken in adventure therapy work. Settle down next to the campfire and join us while we learn from Kim and Nick.