In episode eight Matt and I talk with Phil Baisley, Professor of Pastoral Studies at ESR since 1999. In addition to earning his M.Div. degree at ESR in 1993, Phil has also gone on to graduate in 2009 from Ashland Theological Seminary with a Doctor of Ministry degree. Because of Phil’s connections with interacting with people at coffee shops and pubs including performing original songs as half of the duo of Somebody’s Brothers, we met Phil at a local coffee shop called Roscoe’s on April 12th 2017.