In Episode 9: Permission, Steve and Sarah get a chance to catch up, after three episodes with a guest, and Steve is in hot water. Do White people need permission to interrupt someone’s racism, especially another White person? In order to let go of oppressive hierarchies we have internalized, do we need to be reconditioned or is the solution something else? Does niceness trap White people from interrupting racism as well as non-White folks? In Episode 9: Permission, Steve and Sarah explore these questions and more.