Mike and Bill dig into the life and career of one of the great Yankee captains, Thurman Munson, who died 38 years ago this week on August 2, 1979. Also, Sports Illustrated's Jay Jaffe (@jay_jaffe) joins the podcast in a special interview to discuss his new book, The Cooperstown Casebook, whether Munson belongs in the Hall of Fame, and what his chances of making it are after so many years.