Guest - Luke Watts:
Luke is an adult social care worker and free thinker. He has a long history in social care and has extended his skills in supporting people who have needs that are classes as complex. He is passionate, outspoken, driven, idealistic keen to see the best support and is a sector leader. Luke is a fellow of the School of Social Entrepreneurs and feels social care should be led by the values of not-for-profit processes towards the best outcomes for the people supported and their families. Luke specialises in PBS and leads a Social Enterprise - My PESP CIC in East Sussex.

Paddy and Jo invited Luke to the podcast to discuss PBS and how it works as a manager within and organisation. However the conversation takes some interesting turns including the concerns Luke has with PBS ethical concerns and what the next steps should be. This episode led to the development of Episode 15 and the conversation between Luke, Paddy and Jo provides the context for "The Common Ground."