Hi everyone! In this month’s podcast I had the opportunity to talk with Dr. Kathy Hiller about the recently released National Clinical Assessment Tool for Emergency Medicine (NCAT-EM), which was developed by Jules Jung, Doug Franzen, Kathy Hiller, and Luan Lawson. We last talked with this group in episode 2, when they were still in the beginning stages of developing this evaluation tool. In this interview, Dr. Hiller discusses how you may use the NCAT-EM in your clerkship and their current study.