This is Episode 30 of the Social Pros Podcast featuring Eric Schwartzman, best-selling author, speaker, blogger, trainer and advisor.
Eric Schwartzman on the Social Pros Podcast
Jay: Hey, everybody, and we’re back with another episode of Social Pros, shining the light on real people doing real work in social media. I am Jay Baer, joined, as always, by social media marketing software company genius, Founder, President and man among boys, live from the woods of North Carolina, Mr. Eric Boggs.
Eric B.: These introductions keep getting better and better, Jay.
Jay: And longer. The next time I’m going to do a 20-minute introduction and a seven-minute show.
Eric B.: That sounds fantastic.
Jay: How are you my friend?
Eric B.: Doing just great. What’s new?
Jay: Oh, man, it’s been a crazy week in the interwebs. We’re going to talk about that in just a second. Let’s take a real quick minute to acknowledge our sponsors in addition to Eric’s company Argyle Social, who we use for all of our social media content missives.
Also our friends at Infusionsoft, fantastic e-mail CRM company, who we use for all of our emailings; our buddy Jim Kukral at digitalbooklaunch.com, who is our erstwhile guest host; and the good folks at Janrain, who do all kinds of amazing social sign-in and matching up your database to real people in social media. Solving common problems, those folks at Janrain.
We, today, have ourselves quite a show, quite a show, Eric Boggs. We have a professional on the show today.
We actually have somebody who actually knows something about podcasting and other stuff, but podcasting in particular.
I first met Eric Schwartzman when he was writing his fantastic book Social Marketing to the Business Customer, with Paul Gillin.
We’re going to talk to Eric specifically today about a really interesting series of web-based training programs he has now about social media, social media boot camp, if you will.
Eric B.: Yep.
Jay: So, we’ll do that in a second.
Eric B.: It’s bonus, extra Eric also in this podcast. Jay’s Thought of the Week
Jay: Two Erics, one Jay, it is a Jay sandwich. So crazy week in social media and a lot of things potentially to talk about, but the one I wanted to talk about, especially because you’re on the show is what is the deal with Twitter? This crazy API pronouncement and, “You must make everything look the way we make it look,” and, “If you don’t want to do it the way we want to do it, we’re going to revoke your access.” For somebody in your line of work, it feels to me like a shot across the bow. How did that go over in the halls of Argyle Social?
Eric B.: You actually reminded me that I was supposed to write a blog post about this earlier today. It’s on my to-do list and obviously…
Jay: Now you can just link to the podcast transcript.
Eric B.: Exactly, yeah. Now, I haven’t done it and thank you for reminding me. We actually saw it as a good thing, oddly enough. If you read through that whole massive post from the Twitter API guys, they had a quadrant at the bottom of the post that basically, I think they divided the world in engagement and analytics, and then business and consumer and they basically called out their four quadrants.
One of them is sort of consumer engagement apps. Another is sort of consumer-influenced analytics, obviously Klout being the only thing in that quadrant. Then there’s business engagement and management in business analytics and they basically said, “Look, if you’re in the consumer engagement quadrant, you might want to think about starting another company.”
That type of clarity from Twitter is welcome to us. One, because Argyle is not in that quadrant, we’re firmly nestled in the business analytics and business engagement side of the world along with quite a few competitors. Getting sort of clarity and a sense of roadmap from Twitter is actually good.
In terms of all the display guidelines, that’s peanuts. That’s piece of cake stuff. That is all kind of driven by Twitter’s ad model and trying to protect page views and consumer experience.
So, overall, I thought it was welcome, actually. There are obviously big chunks of the market whose businesses will need to change in a really big way and some of whom whose businesses will probably really suffer.
But Twitter’s got to do what Twitter’s got to do and I felt the announcement was necessary and I thought they handled it pretty well. Jay: Very interesting. That’s not precisely what I thought you would say. I guess because you’re not Echofon or somebody who they almost and did call out by name and say, “Guess what? We’re going to shut you down.”
Eric B.: Yeah.
Jay: I certainly understand the perspective of, “Hey, you know what? It’s our data and we’re going to do what we need to do to protect our intrasite.” I understand that. But it does seem that it is quite an evolution of their general stance toward open development because it is no longer open. Maybe that’s an inexorable result of stake getting higher.
Eric B.: Yeah, well it’s definitely – I think that Twitter is still a fan of open development, just not open development that impinges upon their core revenue model, which is consumer experience enhanced with advertisements and social ads.
Echofon and these third-party consumer applications will infringe upon Twitter’s ability to service ads, and it pretty much comes down to that. Ultimately, I think it’ll make for a better Twitter experience for the end user, for Twitter to own all these bits and pieces and it sucks, man.
It really does for Echofon and all these other third-party products that are basically going to get wiped off the face of the Earth. Look at how Pinterest has gone about this. Pinterest has purposefully not published an API precisely because they don’t want to have Twitter’s problems.
Jay: Right. Yep.
Eric B.: I don’t know if that’s been confirmed. But that’s pretty much the confirmed rumor is that that is one of the reasons Pinterest has not taken this open developer strategy that Twitter did, is that they see all the problems that it’s caused.
It sucks and I’m being really probably overly positive because it gives me clarity and peace of mind. Because there was always this threat of, “Oh my God, what’s Twitter going to do?” We know folks there. We’re pretty cozy with a number of folks on the biz dev team and the API team.
But to get clarity in terms of what we’re building and how it fits into Twitter’s long-term strategy, it’s a good thing.
Jay: It’s interesting to hear that you were, at some level, apprehensive about that. I guess it kind of reinforces something that I say to clients all the time, which is, “You always have to be a little bit aware that you are building your house on rented land.”
Eric B.: Yeah.
Jay: Whether that’s in your case more of a behind-the-scenes API or whether you’re saying, “Look, we’re going to put all of our social media eggs in a Facebook basket.” You don’t own Facebook. Far from it, and they could change the rules tomorrow.
That theory was very much codified for me today when I got a letter from my attorney with an update on my lawsuit that I have for a condo I bought in Mexico that was never built. So, you know what’s a super, super fun thing to do? A lawsuit over real estate in Mexico.
Eric B.: Is that like a land war in Asia?
Jay: It is really, really, really something.
Eric B.: Oh, gosh. I’m sorry to hear that. That sounds like not much fun.
Jay: It’ll be one of other chapters someday when I write my memoirs. It will the one chapter written in Spanish.
Eric B.: “The Mexican Condo Incident”.
Jay: Exactly. So, Mr. Boggs, speaking of Twitter, do you have for us a ground-breaking, earth-shattering, notable, Tweetable, social media stat of the week? Eric’s Social Media Stat of the Week: Twitter Getting More Media Coverage Than Facebook
Eric B.: Oh, unfortunately no. But I do have an interesting stat that we can talk about. This stat comes from – I’m reading through the email again now – it’s from HighBeam Research, which provides a monthly social media index. They did some research around media attention and visibility for social media platforms.
So, obviously the key players, Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn, Pinterest, and MySpace made it onto the list of networks that they researched. But the big takeaway is the July 2012 media attention for these key social media platforms – Twitter, 56%; Facebook, 40%; which is fascinating because
Facebook is much, much bigger than Twitter, yet Twitter continues to get more of the mainstream media type of attention.
Jay: So according to our friend, Tom Webster, from Edison Research and my partner in The Social Habit, Twitter is used by 10% of Americans, but it comprises 56% of the media attention? Is that what you’re telling me? via Highbeam Research
Eric B.: Yes.
Jay: I blame Chad Ochocinco for that, among other people. That is a Kardashian of social media and Facebook was what, 40%?
Eric B.: Yeah, less than 40%. J
ay: 54% of Americans are on Facebook, but it’s 40% of the media attention, and that’s with an IPO, right?
Eric B.: Yeah. This was July so, obviously after the IPO when Facebook is all pretty much anybody wants to talk about in finance news. Yeah, I’ve noticed it more and more. Twitter hashtags are everywhere.
Jay: Every TV show, it’s crazy. I was watching Discovery Channel over the weekend and checking out the MythBusters special Shark Week episode.
About every 15 seconds, they would overlay a tweet on the broadcast and it was the most inane, like, “I sure am glad I’m not a shark because that would suck, signed @idiotboy whatever.” I’m like, “Seriously?” This is the talk radioization of television, right? We’re just going to pull random tweets and put it on the show. So, it’s just insipid and ridiculous.