Terry Pettigrew Rolapp and Tommy Wallach of Hatch Escapes in Los Angeles, California joined us to talk about their overwhelmingly ambitious game, The Ladder. 

 In this clip, we talk about the genesis of The Ladder, and the design philosophy behind this game, exploring the nature of difficulty.

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