Video for the episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_n7IOCKC9c

Topics we are hoping to cover in this episode:

- People over process

- Complexity introduced by software management

- Relentless Refactoring

- Thoughts on "Test Driven Development" after 20 years

- Experience at Facebook

- Hiring and interviewing engineers

- Managing and Coaching engineers

- Cultural difference in software managemtn