Many Americans will repeat the phrase "separation of church and state," believing it to be one of the founding principles of the nation, though it appears nowhere in the Constitution or Declaration of Independence. In reality, the early United States was a land of state churches, blasphemy laws, and public prayer. Timon Cline, editor in chief at American Reformer, joins me to discuss his recent submission to the Harvard Law Review on the incorporation doctrine and how it has distorted the American tradition. 

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