Evolve Move Play Podcast

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Welcome back to the Evolve Move Play podcast!

Today Jonathan Pageau rejoins us to explore the intersections of technology, our relationship with nature, and the spiritual quests that define our humanity.

We delve into the challenges and opportunities presented by digital advancements and how they impact our connection to the natural world. Through a series of thought-provoking reflections, we examine the delicate balance between technological progress and environmental stewardship.

Our conversation ventures into the realms of personal growth, the pursuit of meaningful values, and how embracing our roles within nature can lead to a deeper understanding of ourselves and our place in the world.

To listen to a previous conversation I had with Jonathan, check out the episode Patterns of Being with Jonathan Pageau | EMP Podcast 96 -

https://youtu.be/qPrEcpL6ahc?si=-aK0RiwYmzX3fy59

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00:00:00:00 : Introduction

00:03:30:23 : Nature, Freedom, and Human Connection

00:12:16:22 : Ethical Living

00:18:21:00 : The Impact of Technology on Society

00:27:22:24 : Understanding Religion and Spirituality's Impact

00:37:26:12 : Modern Society's Challenges and Critiques

00:49:02:19 : Environmental Concerns and Technological Ethics

01:14:18:08 : The Future Role of Religion and Spirituality

Welcome back to the Evolve Move Play podcast!

Today we have an engrossing episode with Ethan Hsieh to explore the intriguing intersections of movement, theater, and cognitive science.

Ethan, a multifaceted thinker and practitioner, delves into his journey from actor to director of community development at the Vervaeke Foundation.

Discover how his unique approach, The Integrative Approach and Methodology of Active Transformation (TIAMAT), is reshaping the way we think about performance and personal growth. This conversation goes beyond the surface, examining how integrating different disciplines can lead to a richer understanding of ourselves and the world around us.

Together Ethan and I discuss the philosophy of movement, the impact of theater on personal development, and the nuances of cognitive science. This episode is a treasure trove of insights in the crossroads of physical practice and intellectual exploration.

Tune in for a thought-provoking discussion that challenges the boundaries between the body and the mind.

00:00:00:00 Chapter 1: Introduction

00:06:46:08 Chapter 2: Exploring Embodiment and Movement Culture

00:12:23:00 Chapter 3: Movement, Narrative, and Mythological Exemplars

00:19:17:19 Chapter 4: Love, Relationships, and Philosophical Musings

00:26:49:10 Chapter 5: The Future for Ethan’s Work

00:34:17:14 Chapter 6: Transformative Power of Movement and the Meaning Crisis

00:42:01:2 Chapter 7: Complexity of Science, Philosophy, and Personal Narratives

00:49:46:08 Chapter 8: Wisdom, Virtue, and Embodiment

00:58:37:12 Chapter 9: Symbolism, Narrative, and Cultural Impact

01:12:33:00 Chapter 10: Interplay of Personal Narratives, Movement Culture, and the Quest for Meaning

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ETHAN HSIEH

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Welcome back to the Evolve Move Play podcast!

Today, we continue our conversation with Warren Farrell, delving into a deep discussion about the complexities of male roles in modern society. This discussion challenges traditional perceptions of male privilege and power.

In our discussion, we explore insightful perspectives on how societal norms and expectations shape the male experience, particularly in terms of financial responsibilities, romantic relationships, and societal roles.

Building on Part I, we investigate themes such as the wage gap, fatherhood, and the balance between personal aspirations and societal expectations.

Join us to shed light on the often overlooked pressures and dilemmas faced by men, encouraging a re-evaluation of what constitutes true power and privilege in the context of gender dynamics.

00:00:00:00 Introduction and Revisiting the Myth of Male Privilege

00:01:52:23 The Paradox of Male Power and Societal Expectations

00:09:41:08 Exploring the Gender Pay Gap, Career Considerations and Parenting Dynamics

00:22:19:21 Societal Expectations and the Quest for Gender Balance

00:34:58:15 Adapting to New Norms and Understanding Unique Gender Dynamics

00:47:10:00 The Role and Impact of Fathers and Paternal Parenting Styles

00:55:38:08 Modern Gender Roles: Toward Mutual Respect and Understanding

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WARREN FARRELL

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Welcome back to the Evolve Move Play podcast!

I was able to have a candid conversation with Warren Farrell at The Alliance for Responsible Citizenship (ARC) Conference.

In this Part 1 of my conversation with Warren I dive into an enlightening discussion with Warren, a pioneer in exploring men's roles in modern society and the author of "The Boy Crisis".

Our conversation navigates the intricate maze of masculinity, from its historical roots to its evolving nature in today's world.

We tackle tough questions about what it means to be a man in contemporary times, the impact of societal expectations, and the fine line between traditional masculinity and its modern interpretation.

Whether discussing the psychology of young men, the balance between strength and sensitivity, or the shift from being a 'human doing' to a 'human being,' this episode is a must-listen for anyone intrigued by the complex dynamics of gender roles and personal identity in our rapidly changing world.

In a future episode I will continue my conversation with Warren so be on the lookout in the coming weeks!

00:00:00 Introduction and the Evolution of Male Roles

00:03:00 Challenges of Modern Masculinity and Parenthood

00:07:00 Cultural and Biological Aspects of Masculinity

00:14:00 Redefining Success and Power for Men

00:24:00 Emotional Expression and the Warrior-Nurturer Balance

00:32:00 The Future of Masculine Identity

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WARREN FARRELL

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Welcome back to the Evolve Move Play Podcast!

Today we’re joined by EMP Coach Ben Medder from the UK.

Last summer Ben and I hosted a workshop in London to explore the art of tree climbing alongside EMP’s ecology of practices.

In this conversation Ben shares his journey from working in IT to embracing a career in movement coaching, highlighting his initial forays into parkour, martial arts, and natural movement.

We delve into the nuances of teaching movement, the importance of connecting with nature, and how climbing trees and interacting with different environments can profoundly impact our physical and mental well-being.

Our conversation also touches on the evolving landscape of movement culture, the influence of various movement leaders, and the future of movement education.

Join us as we unpack the complexities and joys of a life dedicated to our own practices, teaching others and building communities dedicated to exploring movement.

If you are looking for a way to expand your movement exploration alongside Ben, check out his upcoming courses: Move With The Seasons and RopeFlow London.

We are looking forward to joining Ben for the 2024 EMP European workshops.

TIME STAMPS:

00:00 - Chapter 1: "Early Years in Movement and Key Influences"

Ben details his background in movement coaching at Gloves Boxing Club, the influence of mentors like Lee Saxby, and the transition to independent teaching following the club's closure in 2014.

18:00 - Chapter 2: "Discovering New Paths: Hampstead Heath, Tree Running, and Movement Exploration"

Ben discusses discovering Evolve Move Play. He reflects on his experiences teaching at Hampstead Heath, engaging in online coaching with Evolve Move Play, and his initial foray into tree running and dancing with trees.

36:00 - Chapter 3: "Ido Portal Workshops and Teaching for MovNat"

Ben shares insights from attending workshops with Ido Portal, his tenure as a MovNat instructor from 2014 to 2016, and how he integrated various movement influences into his practice, including partner games.

54:00 - Chapter 4: " Impact of Evolve Move Play and Fighting Monkey"

Ben talks about the profound influence of Evolve Move Play's in-depth games on his approach and his later training with Tom Wexler and Fighting Monkey, which further expanded his methods in partnering and rough and tumble play.

01:12:00 - Chapter 5: "The Art of Tree Dancing: Merging Gymnastics, Martial Arts, and Dance"

Ben continues discussing his unique approach to dancing with trees, drawing upon his diverse background in gymnastics, martial arts, and contemporary dance to inform his practice.

01:30:00 - Chapter 6: "Advancing in Tree Climbing and the Growth of Evolve Move Play"

This chapter covers Ben's recent explorations in tree climbing, including the Tree Climb 30 challenge, his experience witnessing the evolution of Evolve Move Play, and discussions on advanced tree-to-tree transfers. Ben also talks about shifting his goals, focusing on recovery, and his perspectives on the future of the movement community.

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BEN MEDDER

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Welcome back to the Evolve Move Play Podcast!

Today's episode was filmed at the ARC Conference in London and features our guest Rob Henderson, author of the book Troubled: A Memoir of Foster Care, Family, and Social Class.

Rob grew up in foster homes in Los Angeles and the rural town of Red Bluff, California. He joined the Air Force at the age of seventeen. After his enlistment, he graduated from Yale University with a BS in psychology and was subsequently awarded a Gates Cambridge Scholarship.

Once described as 'self-made' by the New York Times, Rob received a PhD in psychology from St. Catharine's College, Cambridge in 2022. His writing has appeared in the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, the Boston Globe, and the New York Post, among other outlets. Rob's popular Substack newsletter is sent each week to more than forty thousand subscribers.

In our chat today we will discuss Rob’s background and upbringing, as well as share our thoughts on growing into manhood, cultivating positive masculine virtues, social media, and what makes a good man or woman as opposed to what makes a good person.

I really enjoyed getting the chance to talk to Rob, and hopefully we’ll be able to continue our chat in the near future. If you also enjoy the conversation, be sure to support the channel with a like, subscribe, and share.

TIMESTAMPS

00:00 - Rob’s Background

07:09 - Young Male Syndrome & the Military

26:59 - Underlying Biology

31:34 - Aggression, Violence & Mental Health

43:05 - Masculinity and Femininity

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ROB HENDERSON

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Welcome back to the Evolve Move Play Podcast!

Today we’re joined once again by Paul Vander Klay

Recently Paul and I both were able to attend the ARC conference in London, and in today’s discussion we’ll be sharing our thoughts and opinions on what we experienced during the event. We’ll cover what went well, where they missed the mark, and how this type of event could be framed differently to actually achieve the goals it set out to achieve.

I really enjoyed having Paul on the show again, and hopefully we’ll be able to continue our chat in the near future. If you also enjoy the conversation, be sure to support the channel with a like, subscribe, and share.

TIMESTAMPS

00:00 - Critiques & Big Takeaways from ARC

24:23 - Leaning Into Story

34:35 - Roughhousing and Aspirational Masculinity

56:33 - Past, Present & Future / Degrees of Freedom

01:20:08 - The Capacity of Ages / Gardeners of Eden

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PAUL VANDER KLAY

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Welcome back to the Evolve Move Play Podcast!

Today we’re joined by Joseph Bartz

Joseph Germany, to an artistic family of writers, musicians and people working in the theater. He went through the Waldorf method of schooling, which outside of the usual subjects also puts a lot of value into crafting, music and dancing.

At 13 years old, Joseph started delving into various disciplines of physical practice. Starting with martial arts and strength training, his interests expanded to include parkour and aspects of natural movement such as tree climbing and doing most things barefoot. He also became interested in wilderness training and primitive skills, which he has been learning with Uwe Belz.

Joseph would take his passion for these physical practices and build a career around them, he has taught countless workshops and helped thousands of students deepen their knowledge and relationship to movement.

Today he’s joining us to talk about a variety of topics, including the deep meaning that can be obtained through developing a robust ecology of practices, and how the process of building a skillful body should not only enhance your physical abilities, but your strength of character as well.

I really enjoyed having Joseph on the show, and hopefully we’ll be able to continue our chat in the near future. If you also enjoy the conversation, be sure to support the channel with a like, subscribe, and share.

TIMESTAMPS

00:00 - Intro

00:00 - Moving into Meaning

17:45 - Parkour as a Wisdom Tradition

39:35 - Practice as Permaculture

57:32 - Religion and Movement

01:10:49 - Improvisation and Beginners

01:26:33 - The Anchor Practice and Horizon

01:37:53 - Practicality and Skill Transfer

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JOSEPH BARTZ

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Welcome back to the Evolve Move Play Podcast!

Today we’re joined by the one and only Leo Urban.

If you’re unfamiliar with his work, Leo is a professional parkour athlete and YouTuber who has garnered a huge following on social media by displaying his amazing skill at moving in trees, competing in World Chase Tag, and performing incredible urban free-solo stunts around the world.

Recently Leo’s turned his attention to highlighting the incredible wildlife and indigenous peoples who live in the deep jungles and forests of places like the Amazon, India, Morocco and more. Through these adventures he’s working to bring awareness, not only to the delicate and beautiful natural spaces he visits, but also how human beings are built to move and thrive in these spaces.

During this conversation we’ll talk a lot about Leo’s work, his philosophy, and the vital importance that nature plays in nourishing the mind, body and spirit of the human animal.

I really enjoyed having Leo on the show, and hopefully we’ll be able to continue our chat in the near future. If you also enjoy the conversation, be sure to support the channel with a like, subscribe, and share.

TIMESTAMPS

00:00 - Intro

00:46 - Workshop Ad

01:45 - What is the Primal Approach

09:00 - Leo’s Beginnings

16:31 - Bringing Parkour into Nature

21:47 - Returning to the Natural World

36:35 - The Treerunning Community & Biodiversity

41:45 - Escape Eschatology / Nature and Spirituality

55:42 - Signs of Progress / Looking Toward the Future

01:11:54 - Leo’s Travels, Great Apes and Nature Connection

01:35:53 - Social Media & Primal Movement

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LEO URBAN

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Welcome back to the Evolve Move Play Podcast!

Today we’re joined by Jim Rutt, a tech entrepreneur who has been one of the leading founders of the Game B movement which is an attempt to build a meta-stable social economic operating system to avoid some of the problems our civilization is currently facing.

In this conversation we’ll be taking a look at what exactly makes up our current “Game A” society, what are the inherent problems that come with it, and how does a “Game B” society propose to alleviate those issues.

I really enjoyed having Jim on the show, and hopefully we’ll be able to continue our chat in the near future. If you also enjoy the conversation, be sure to support the channel with a like, subscribe, and share.

TIMESTAMPS

00:00 - Intro

00:44 - Workshop Ad

01:43 - What is Game A?

14:49 - Game B, the Counter Culture and Social Capital

22:37 - Transactional Amorality

32:38 - Game B’s Central Principles

37:48 - Balancing the Game Theory Problems

45:33 - The Self Worth Esteeming

51:02 - Sacred Nature

1:00:20 - The Flaw of Escapism

01:07:16 - The War Problem & the Theory/Practice/Theory Loop

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JIM RUTT

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