After their powerful first conversation with Amanda Feldman, Jenny and Kristine realized there was still more to unpack about empathy, accountability, and human connection. In this thoughtful bonus episode, Amanda returns to share deeper reflections from her work as a therapist inside a maximum security men’s prison—including why she describes parts of her work as “fun,” what true healing and personal responsibility look like, and how empathy requires us to lower our own defenses in order to truly connect with others.

Together, the conversation explores the difference between sympathy and empathy, the balance between compassion and accountability, and how openness and curiosity can create space for growth and healing in all of our relationships.

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Netflix Documentary: Unlocked, a Jail Experiment

The Redemption Project

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