In this fifth episode of "Exploring Revelation," Pastor Brian Keepers has a conversation with New Testament scholar Dr. John Vonder Bruegge (Northwestern College, Orange City, IA) on "the Three M's" of apocalyptic literature (motive, method and message), God's sovereignty and human suffering, and recovering the key practice of lament in the church. Revelation shows us that while God doesn't promise us away around suffering, God does provide a way through. This podcast is connected with a sermon series at Trinity Church titled "Unveiled Hope."