In this episode of the Westminster Effects Doxology Podcast, Cory Wing joins us for a deep discussion about the Presbyterian Church in America (PCA), focusing on the rigorous processes of licensure and ordination, the roles of ruling and teaching elders, and the educational requirements for church leadership. We explore the governance structure of the PCA, emphasizing the importance of church polity and the responsibilities of elders within the church community. The conversation also touches on the challenges and pressures faced by those pursuing ordination and the need for effective church governance. In this conversation, we delve into the complexities of church governance before transitioning into a deep exploration of sacraments, particularly baptism and communion, examining their theological implications and the practices surrounding them in different traditions. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding these elements in the life of the church and the personal experiences that shape their views.